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Post by Dirrty Craig on Aug 29, 2005 9:28:07 GMT -5
No thats not my point. I truly think the majority of people who are born again are legit and have the best intentions. My problem is that alot of people make God sound like this terrible burden or that being born again is a get out of jail free card for the terrible things someones done in the past. Its easy to get lost in the romance of it and lose sight of the big picture. I am just saying I've never personally had this problem, nor do I feel I have ever had a lapse of faith or life-altering occurence that has made me change my beliefs.
Historically and factually Christianity is a no-brainer. There are so many factual accounts of the New Testament scripture, many of which never made it into the "final cut" of the Bible, so many eye-witnesses and reports to the things Jesus did, that a rational person cannot deny it. That on top of faith makes it easy to be a Christian.
I think Josh McDowell said something to the effect that we never question our history books concerning the Roman Empire or the things that Julius Caesar did, but in fact there is far less hard evidence that any of those things happened than there are that Jesus did the things he did... and don't even get me started on the evolution theory.. what a crock. Darwin was an idiot. Somebody call me when they find a frozen caveman with a monkey head,, LOL,,,,
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Post by Shawnee on Aug 29, 2005 17:27:41 GMT -5
Glad to hear your views on EVILution. In my feeble brain, it takes a whole lot more faith to believe that the whole universe "just happened" than to believe that it created.
I guess what I've been getting at is that being "good" isn't the answer. The Bible says in Romans chapter 3 that there is none righteous, no not one. In Matthew 19:17 Jesus himself questions someone who calls him good and says that there is none "good" except God himself. We know that Jesus was sinless (2 Corinthians 5:21) so that's a pretty humbling statement for us to hear! Romans 7:18 says that no good thing dwelleth in our flesh. We are wicked creatures plain and simple.
I guess my answer to not seeing Eric Johnson is this. At some point I started to realize that this whole thing is not about me. Sure I would love to see Eric play again. The problem is that I am a youth leader at my church (as well as to my own kids). There is so much filth out there that the kids could listen to that I can't possibly explain what is OK and what is not. Even though I could go to see the show and not drink a drop, pick up any women, get into any fights, or anything else like that, I was still there. I would be telling my kids by my actions that it's OK to go to those places. I could go once or I could go every night, but to the kids, it's yes or no and there is no in between. If I went every night I guarantee that I would not be able to restrain myself from the stuff that goes on forever. I can't expect them to be able to either. It's best that I just don't go.
I don't drink either. Do I think it's a sin to drink? Not necessarily. I don't think there is anything wrong with have a beer with a nice Mexican food spread at a local restaurant. Problem is, if one of my kids see me, they will not understand anything except "Shane drinks so it's OK for me too." It could be the only beer I've had in a year, but to the kids its either Yes he drinks or No he doesn't. I have given up a few things to try to keep other people from making the mistakes that I made when I was a kid. Would I like to have a beer? You betcha! Worth it? Not a chance.
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Aug 30, 2005 8:49:18 GMT -5
Having all those kids look up to you is quite a task, but very admirable. I totally see your point. Kids need a good role model. If I had any in my life I'd probably change things too.
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Post by shreder75 on Aug 30, 2005 9:09:36 GMT -5
What's filthy about an Eric Johnson show? Not too sure I follow that one =) as far as the drinking thing goes....having a beer (which is a legal privelege of age) and getting sloppy drunk are two different things =) kids are savvy these days...as long as you explain to them why you're doing it (and once again, NOT in excess in front of them) and why they can't, I don't think that they're neccisarily going to say ooh, he's got beer..let me have one! I think doing something like that and talking to them about it rather than abstaining or sneaking it is a much better alternative... Craig--so..how do you explain cavement and neanderthals =) not trying to start trouble..LOL..just curious  being of a scientific background (engineering) I find these things interesting |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Aug 30, 2005 9:47:16 GMT -5
How do I explain them? I don't need to. they are just like us, with more hair. LOL.. You could explain them in much the same way you could explain why 200 years ago the average man was 5'1 and now they are 5'9. Diet, technology, medicine, etc al.. Like I said produce me a caveman with a monkey head or webbed feet and we can talk,, LMAO...  |
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Post by shreder75 on Aug 30, 2005 9:49:38 GMT -5
beleiving we came down from monkeys kinda sounds a little like faith to me, craig my thing is this..from what I gather, you think evolution (darwin, etc, etc) is crap =) my point is this..if we did come directly from adam and eve, then how do you explain cro magnons, etc, etc....maybe that's how I shoulda put the question in the first place..lol... |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Aug 30, 2005 9:54:35 GMT -5
It sounds more like a fairy tale to me,,
Don't you find it fascinating that we've found dinosaur fossils, fish, birds, etc.. but not one fossil of a monkey man or 'transitional' caveman supporting the evolution theory? How 'bout carbon dating.. you know the method 'scientists' use to tell us about bones that are supposedly millions of years old,, what a crock.. they found a chicken bone and dated it to 5,000,000 BC and it ended up being 150 years old. Now thats science!
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Post by shreder75 on Aug 30, 2005 10:16:08 GMT -5
just because they haven't found anything (yet..re: the missing link) doesn't mean it's not there a mistake or two on something as complicated as carbon dating doesn't discount it's usefullness.. which sounds more like a fairy tale? evolution/natural selection and the fact that beings react and adapt to their environment (even with people...closer to the equator--darker skin...farther north, lighter skin...due to climate, etc, etc, etc...creatures that are bioluminescent that live in the dark depths of the ocean..different varieties of what are essentially the same birds that have different coloring to blend in, because of the varied environments they occupy, etc, etc, etc) or the story of adam and eve..two people made in God's image that, in essence, began to populate an entire planet =) ..you haven't seen God on your front doorstep, yet you beleive in him, without proof (not from others' accounts..but personal proof)..why should it be any different with evolution =) I know, I sound like a science-driven, faithless cynic....I'm really not...lol..I beleive the two CAN and DO coexist... and you still haven't answered my question..LOL. |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Aug 30, 2005 10:25:15 GMT -5
The cro-magnons that have been found support my theory perfectly:
"The geologist Louis Lartet discovered the first five skeletons in March 1868 in the Cro-Magnon rock shelter at Les Eyzies, Dordogne, France. The definitive specimen from this find bears the name 'Cro Magnon I'. The skeletons showed the same high forehead, upright posture and slender (gracile) skeleton as modern humans."
No Monkey heads, no webbed feet, they have opposable thumbs etc...
I agree with adaptation ie, closer to the equator--darker skin...farther north, lighter skin etc.. thats not evolution.
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Post by shreder75 on Aug 30, 2005 10:31:04 GMT -5
still doesn't put adam and eve into the time line/overall picture of everything =) evolution and adaptation aren't mutually exclusive...and the world's in a constant state of adaptation, evolution, mutation...
anyway..there's an easy way to settle this...and I hate to do this to a forum chum....but, if I must, then I must...we're just going to have to ~dramatic pause~ THUMBWRESTLE for it!
lmao
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Post by VomHalen on Aug 30, 2005 10:32:17 GMT -5
evolution = adaptation + 100 quadrillion years
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Post by Shawnee on Aug 30, 2005 11:26:03 GMT -5
What's filthy about an Eric Johnson show? Not too sure I follow that one =) as far as the drinking thing goes....having a beer (which is a legal privelege of age) and getting sloppy drunk are two different things =) kids are savvy these days...as long as you explain to them why you're doing it (and once again, NOT in excess in front of them) and why they can't, I don't think that they're neccisarily going to say ooh, he's got beer..let me have one! I think doing something like that and talking to them about it rather than abstaining or sneaking it is a much better alternative... I don't think that there is anything wrong with Eric Johnson. It was more where he was playing than what he was playing. You can think what you want about kids but they are going to do what they see. I started drinking when I was 12 years old and was an alcoholic before I graduated from high school. My Dad wasn't really an alcoholic but he drank a beer or two most days. I figured if Dad did it, it must be OK. So if I can do it in a few years when I'm legal, why wait? I have battled alcohol from my teens until I God took the desire away. I haven't drank a drop in over five years now. I don't want my kids to go through what I put myself (and them) though. I was never a mean drunk, never missed work, got into fights, or got into any trouble with the law. I just had to drink. I'm not saying that it's a problem for everyone, just that it was for me. If you never drink, you will never have the problems associated with it. |
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Post by Shawnee on Aug 30, 2005 11:28:15 GMT -5
Man, Craig so rocks. He's posting everything that I would have said about evolution.
GO CRAIG GO.... GO CRAIG GO..... :-)
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Post by VomHalen on Aug 30, 2005 11:41:24 GMT -5
Man, Craig so rocks. He's posting everything that I would have said about evolution. GO CRAIG GO.... GO CRAIG GO..... :-) what's next?...the world is flat? ;D |
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Post by shreder75 on Aug 30, 2005 11:50:57 GMT -5
What's filthy about an Eric Johnson show? Not too sure I follow that one =) as far as the drinking thing goes....having a beer (which is a legal privelege of age) and getting sloppy drunk are two different things =) kids are savvy these days...as long as you explain to them why you're doing it (and once again, NOT in excess in front of them) and why they can't, I don't think that they're neccisarily going to say ooh, he's got beer..let me have one! I think doing something like that and talking to them about it rather than abstaining or sneaking it is a much better alternative... I don't think that there is anything wrong with Eric Johnson. It was more where he was playing than what he was playing. You can think what you want about kids but they are going to do what they see. I started drinking when I was 12 years old and was an alcoholic before I graduated from high school. My Dad wasn't really an alcoholic but he drank a beer or two most days. I figured if Dad did it, it must be OK. So if I can do it in a few years when I'm legal, why wait? I have battled alcohol from my teens until I God took the desire away. I haven't drank a drop in over five years now. I don't want my kids to go through what I put myself (and them) though. I was never a mean drunk, never missed work, got into fights, or got into any trouble with the law. I just had to drink. I'm not saying that it's a problem for everyone, just that it was for me. If you never drink, you will never have the problems associated with it. ok, I didn't understand about the where's and why's of eric johnson..thanks for clearing it up! didn't know about your back history...so that explains why you're doing what you're doing...nothing wrong with handling it the way you are...just offering a different perspective..my point of view, kinda thing...=) |
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