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Post by shreder75 on Feb 17, 2006 17:49:56 GMT -5
that's why I switch it up and throw a pre chorus in there every so often..to keep people like you awake  i'm definitely guilty of this myself, but it always amuses me how things that are so important to musicians are so absolutely irrelevent to 99% of people who actually llisten (and buy) to the music...... we sit here and banter on about song structure vs. soundscape, musical virtuosity vs. songwriting, etc... but let's face it, the average person just wants to rock out to songs they relate to..... not that popularity is the end all be all, but shows are much more fun to play when there are people there that are into your stuff - and buying your merch so you can make it to the next show.... this is why I do covers..lol....none of the drooling vegetables out there wanna hear what I would write.... hahahah |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 21, 2006 10:01:12 GMT -5
I have some Coltrane, Davis etc. Its great stuff but just not listenable for too long for me. Its best as background music while I am doing something. Well I then ask you Craig, if you can give me an example of a band doing (or has done) something like those songs you heard (which CANNOT be judged by a 10 second clip btw). Just curious. yes, there are plenty of bands doing electronic stuff and Brian Eno is the man at it but, put into a pop context with songs that are stll accessable yet truly unique...I have not heard it done like they have yet. I truly believe (as do many others) they they have set a new experimental standard for music to come. What about Kraftwerk? They were doing the same thing long ago. Messing with effects and putting them into a pop format. I will have to look into them. I have heard of them but never really heard them. Thanks! |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 21, 2006 10:05:05 GMT -5
I think all that stuff loses something in the translation. I have this John Williams video where hes playing by himself in a Spanish Church and its just one guy, one guitar and a mic and it fills the room with sound,, amazing. I'm not at all impressed with electronic music or samples or any of that stuff. Theres nothing organic there, theres no real life to it. Sorry. So if there's not a stringed instrument its not organic? No life to it? You once told me I had a lot to learn about music  . Bottom line for you is if there is no guitar or acousical instrument virtuoso then it falls short. Sorry for you, you're limiting yourself:( |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Feb 21, 2006 10:29:33 GMT -5
Hey I stopped thinking about this thread 5 days ago!!
Ok, I'll bite.. how about this. If your average IT guys can come up with electronic music in-bewteen writing shell scripts, maybe its not something that requires that much talent. I mean you could play guitar for 2 lifetimes and not be as good as John Williams, but any geek with a PC can buy fruity loops and a sample library and make the new Puff Daddy record. Thats all I'm saying man.
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Post by shreder75 on Feb 21, 2006 10:39:56 GMT -5
it's just 'diddy' now, craig
LOL
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 21, 2006 13:14:16 GMT -5
Hey I stopped thinking about this thread 5 days ago!! Ok, I'll bite.. how about this. If your average IT guys can come up with electronic music in-bewteen writing shell scripts, maybe its not something that requires that much talent. I mean you could play guitar for 2 lifetimes and not be as good as John Williams, but any geek with a PC can buy fruity loops and a sample library and make the new Puff Daddy record. Thats all I'm saying man. I know it's old but I just read your response and I feel like lighting fires today!  I'm not saying it takes much talent to throw together electronic soundbytes because we all know he easy that can be. It does however take creativity to know when to use them, how to manipulate them, and where to put them into a song as part of the composition rather than random elctronic noise. Keep in mind that bands like Radiohead aren't using samples for most of their stuff but are using old synths with hundereds of patch knobs, filters, etc. There is a lot of effort and talent in coaxing a suitable sound out of these things in case you have never used one. In fact Thom Yorke has an old Korg and Roland synth that he some how includes while playing piano, guitar, and singing. Don't tell me that's not talent! Puff doody doesn't count. The hip hop stuff just needs a backbeat and hook to get the ants to start marching. I have made a killer track in Fruity Loops after sitting down for a half an hour the first time I ever played with it! Just like anything else there are artiists that take the elemental form of the instruments and master it to an art form, such as Brian Eno, Radiohead, Bjork, Portishead, David Bowie, Peter Gabriel, PINK FLOYD anyone?!?!, |
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Post by VomHalen on Feb 21, 2006 13:18:43 GMT -5
brian eno has been involved with my 2 favorite U2 albums..."unforgettable fire" and "achtung baby"...coincidence?...i think not
(i know this post makes no real contribution but...whatever)
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Post by VomHalen on Feb 21, 2006 13:19:31 GMT -5
plus, i hear dsome portishead that was fookin "haunting"....i mean "haunting"
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Feb 21, 2006 13:27:20 GMT -5
Hey I stopped thinking about this thread 5 days ago!! Ok, I'll bite.. how about this. If your average IT guys can come up with electronic music in-bewteen writing shell scripts, maybe its not something that requires that much talent. I mean you could play guitar for 2 lifetimes and not be as good as John Williams, but any geek with a PC can buy fruity loops and a sample library and make the new Puff Daddy record. Thats all I'm saying man. I know it's old but I just read your response and I feel like lighting fires today! I'm not saying it takes much talent to throw together electronic soundbytes because we all know he easy that can be. It does however take creativity to know when to use them, how to manipulate them, and where to put them into a song as part of the composition rather than random elctronic noise. Keep in mind that bands like Radiohead aren't using samples for most of their stuff but are using old synths with hundereds of patch knobs, filters, etc. There is a lot of effort and talent in coaxing a suitable sound out of these things in case you have never used one. In fact Thom Yorke has an old Korg and Roland synth that he some how includes while playing piano, guitar, and singing. Don't tell me that's not talent! Puff doody doesn't count. The hip hop stuff just needs a backbeat and hook to get the ants to start marching. I have made a killer track in Fruity Loops after sitting down for a half an hour the first time I ever played with it! Just like anything else there are artiists that take the elemental form of the instruments and master it to an art form, such as Brian Eno, Radiohead, Bjork, Portishead, David Bowie, Peter Gabriel, PINK FLOYD anyone?!?!, I know I know, your right its not the same. But I'm speaking in general. I mean I can paint a Picasso with a paint-by number set, but it ain't art dude. Thats all I'm saying. |
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Post by shreder75 on Feb 21, 2006 13:29:56 GMT -5
don't lop your ear off though, craig! your hair wouldn't flow right if you did that =D
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 21, 2006 13:35:47 GMT -5
plus, i hear dsome portishead that was fookin "haunting"....i mean "haunting" Portishead is VERY haunting! I freakin love it and I wish they put out more than 2 studio albums and 1 live album  . I have tried to get into other bands in the 'trip-hop' genre and nothing compares. They just have that groove and Beth Gibbons vocals are just perfect (and she's hot ;D). Edit: She's really not that hot and I just did a search to find out they are together again doing their 3rd album, yay! No one cares but me i'm sure. |
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Post by natemeanie on Feb 21, 2006 14:11:32 GMT -5
don't lop your ear off though, craig! your hair wouldn't flow right if you did that =D pretty sure that was van gogh, dude..... |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 21, 2006 14:17:32 GMT -5
don't lop your ear off though, craig! your hair wouldn't flow right if you did that =D pretty sure that was van gogh, dude..... Yeah it was. |
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Post by shreder75 on Feb 21, 2006 14:19:00 GMT -5
oops..my bad...I confused crazy painters still, I don't think craig should lop an ear off... |
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Post by TJ on Feb 21, 2006 14:47:37 GMT -5
Kind of like Cousin Eddie's steel plate in his head. He can't even go sledding. If something were to hit him in the head his hair just wouldn't part right.
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. Bottom line for you is if there is no guitar or acousical instrument virtuoso then it falls short. Sorry for you, you're limiting yourself:(
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