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Post by TJ on Feb 17, 2006 14:28:20 GMT -5
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You know white people killed our people with thoughts of "different is wrong". ;D[/quote]
The inquisition, what a show, we know your wishing that we'd go away!!! But the inquisition's here and it's here to stay!!!
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Post by natemeanie on Feb 17, 2006 14:39:31 GMT -5
"you look like the p!ss boy"
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Feb 17, 2006 14:40:28 GMT -5
Don, I just listened to it on Amazon... Its very cool.. different? No, not really. Its only different if you only listen to Radiohead and like 4 other bands I guess.. LOL. Sorry man I'm not budging on this one. I still love you though.  Please for the love of God pickup up a Coltrane or Miles or Montgomery or Bach record. Your missing out on the really good stuff man. For what its worth (nothing) I spend 0 time on scales or chops. I work on Classical music, improv and writing and of course gig alot... Whatever chops I have I developed when I was 19 and thats about as far as I got with it. Whatever chops I need to record an idea I'll work on it about as long as it takes me to execute it.. thats it really. |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 17, 2006 14:41:00 GMT -5
Ohh Craig.......*sigh* ....there's just no telling you because you are an expert. First of all DO NOT compare the Pumpkins to Radiohead. The pumpkins wrote some great songs but you are right in the fact that they did nothing groundbreakingly new. They aren't even in the same league as Radiohead. Have you listen to their last album Hail to the Thief? Obviously not because you wouldn't have made naive cooments like that. Though I am sure you find a way to label it as "overrated, unmusical, blah blah". Whether you like the songs or not, there is NO way you can say that it is overdone. Name me one famous pop band doing anything remotely close to that. Sure the guitars are not "ripping and technical masterpieces" but the soundscapes are masterpieces. If you took all of your time trainnig on scales and put that effort into use of effects and production and applied that to a song it would be the same thing. THrefore you cannot say something played masterfully yet differently is horrible. You know white people killed our people with thoughts of "different is wrong". ;D I listened to the clips on amazon.com some of the most bizarre stuff I've heard in a long time...lol Yes, very bizarre. I like strange though. Since I have been listening to things like Radiohead, Mr Bungle, Jesus Lizard, Fantomas, Tomahawk, I noticed I have trouble enjoying straight rock! I get sooo bored with the same old verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus rock sond with slamming power chords throughout ....zzzzzzzzzz |
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Post by shreder75 on Feb 17, 2006 14:47:50 GMT -5
You know white people killed our people with thoughts of "different is wrong". ;D[/quote] The inquisition, what a show, we know your wishing that we'd go away!!! But the inquisition's here and it's here to stay!!! [/quote] hey torcamada, whadaya say?!? |
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Post by shreder75 on Feb 17, 2006 14:49:00 GMT -5
I listened to the clips on amazon.com some of the most bizarre stuff I've heard in a long time...lol Yes, very bizarre. I like strange though. Since I have been listening to things like Radiohead, Mr Bungle, Jesus Lizard, Fantomas, Tomahawk, I noticed I have trouble enjoying straight rock! I get sooo bored with the same old verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus rock sond with slamming power chords throughout ....zzzzzzzzzz that's why I switch it up and throw a pre chorus in there every so often..to keep people like you awake  |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 17, 2006 14:51:44 GMT -5
yew know...I's jus a stupid ol' fool...aint nobody listen to me anyhow...but, ther is somthin' special happens when a GROUP of people get together and write powerful songs...its bigger than any individual self propelled thing...for som-un to suggest that a individual musician soloing is BETTER or more interesting than a group of songwriters with chemistry...well naw, thats jus not very intuitive or wise...we's all like different things and that is aw-right...but for one to think what they like is BETTER or more important or superior etc...that is jus down-rite short-sitedness...and the hobgoblin of jack-asses...an by the way...whitey done jacked me too! UNcle Tom's been spending too much time in his cabin hiding out. Little Eva and Topsy have been asking fer ya! |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 17, 2006 15:06:01 GMT -5
Yes, very bizarre. I like strange though. Since I have been listening to things like Radiohead, Mr Bungle, Jesus Lizard, Fantomas, Tomahawk, I noticed I have trouble enjoying straight rock! I get sooo bored with the same old verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus rock sond with slamming power chords throughout ....zzzzzzzzzz that's why I switch it up and throw a pre chorus in there every so often..to keep people like you awake Yeah we have been playing just the choruses to our songs to keep people guessing ;D |
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Post by natemeanie on Feb 17, 2006 15:07:32 GMT -5
Yes, very bizarre. I like strange though. Since I have been listening to things like Radiohead, Mr Bungle, Jesus Lizard, Fantomas, Tomahawk, I noticed I have trouble enjoying straight rock! I get sooo bored with the same old verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus rock sond with slamming power chords throughout ....zzzzzzzzzz that's why I switch it up and throw a pre chorus in there every so often..to keep people like you awake i'm definitely guilty of this myself, but it always amuses me how things that are so important to musicians are so absolutely irrelevent to 99% of people who actually llisten (and buy) to the music...... we sit here and banter on about song structure vs. soundscape, musical virtuosity vs. songwriting, etc... but let's face it, the average person just wants to rock out to songs they relate to..... not that popularity is the end all be all, but shows are much more fun to play when there are people there that are into your stuff - and buying your merch so you can make it to the next show.... |
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Post by shreder75 on Feb 17, 2006 15:07:57 GMT -5
that's why I switch it up and throw a pre chorus in there every so often..to keep people like you awake Yeah we have been playing just the choruses to our songs to keep people guessing ;D see, there ya go! NOW you're being innovative! lol |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 17, 2006 16:07:48 GMT -5
Don, I just listened to it on Amazon... Its very cool.. different? No, not really. Its only different if you only listen to Radiohead and like 4 other bands I guess.. LOL. Sorry man I'm not budging on this one. I still love you though. Please for the love of God pickup up a Coltrane or Miles or Montgomery or Bach record. Your missing out on the really good stuff man. For what its worth (nothing) I spend 0 time on scales or chops. I work on Classical music, improv and writing and of course gig alot... Whatever chops I have I developed when I was 19 and thats about as far as I got with it. Whatever chops I need to record an idea I'll work on it about as long as it takes me to execute it.. thats it really. I have some Coltrane, Davis etc. Its great stuff but just not listenable for too long for me. Its best as background music while I am doing something. Well I then ask you Craig, if you can give me an example of a band doing (or has done) something like those songs you heard (which CANNOT be judged by a 10 second clip btw). Just curious. yes, there are plenty of bands doing electronic stuff and Brian Eno is the man at it but, put into a pop context with songs that are stll accessable yet truly unique...I have not heard it done like they have yet. I truly believe (as do many others) they they have set a new experimental standard for music to come. |
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Post by TJ on Feb 17, 2006 16:20:06 GMT -5
Don, I just listened to it on Amazon... Its very cool.. different? No, not really. Its only different if you only listen to Radiohead and like 4 other bands I guess.. LOL. Sorry man I'm not budging on this one. I still love you though. Please for the love of God pickup up a Coltrane or Miles or Montgomery or Bach record. Your missing out on the really good stuff man. For what its worth (nothing) I spend 0 time on scales or chops. I work on Classical music, improv and writing and of course gig alot... Whatever chops I have I developed when I was 19 and thats about as far as I got with it. Whatever chops I need to record an idea I'll work on it about as long as it takes me to execute it.. thats it really. I have some Coltrane, Davis etc. Its great stuff but just not listenable for too long for me. Its best as background music while I am doing something. Well I then ask you Craig, if you can give me an example of a band doing (or has done) something like those songs you heard (which CANNOT be judged by a 10 second clip btw). Just curious. yes, there are plenty of bands doing electronic stuff and Brian Eno is the man at it but, put into a pop context with songs that are stll accessable yet truly unique...I have not heard it done like they have yet. I truly believe (as do many others) they they have set a new experimental standard for music to come. What about Kraftwerk? They were doing the same thing long ago. Messing with effects and putting them into a pop format. |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Feb 17, 2006 16:49:38 GMT -5
I think all that stuff loses something in the translation. I have this John Williams video where hes playing by himself in a Spanish Church and its just one guy, one guitar and a mic and it fills the room with sound,, amazing. I'm not at all impressed with electronic music or samples or any of that stuff. Theres nothing organic there, theres no real life to it. Sorry.
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Post by TJ on Feb 17, 2006 17:08:13 GMT -5
I think all that stuff loses something in the translation. I have this John Williams video where hes playing by himself in a Spanish Church and its just one guy, one guitar and a mic and it fills the room with sound,, amazing. I'm not at all impressed with electronic music or samples or any of that stuff. Theres nothing organic there, theres no real life to it. Sorry. I was telling Don that there was a band from long ago that were doing the same thing as Radiohead you mook! |
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Post by motrock on Feb 17, 2006 17:43:22 GMT -5
SO HOW WAS THE CAMERON MARSHALL! LOL
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Please for the love of God pickup up a Coltrane or Miles or Montgomery or Bach record. Your missing out on the really good stuff man.
