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Post by coolarrow on Feb 13, 2008 13:27:14 GMT -5
To magh8 - the only way I could get the nitro to sound close to my Fireball in terms of gain/satruation was to boost it and dial the gain to 10:30. The boost tightens it up and saturates more but it was still much more clear and less fizzy compared to the FB.
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Post by magh8 on Feb 13, 2008 14:33:16 GMT -5
To magh8 - the only way I could get the nitro to sound close to my Fireball in terms of gain/satruation was to boost it and dial the gain to 10:30. The boost tightens it up and saturates more but it was still much more clear and less fizzy compared to the FB. I will eventualy try boosting the amp with a bad monkey.i want to see what the amp will do on its own first.I think the nitro has plenty of gain not as much as a PB can get but I only run my gain at about 11:00 with the PB.I also have a samson s15 eq and a sonic max to try with it. |
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Post by windsen on Feb 13, 2008 14:37:24 GMT -5
yea the nitro has tons of gain, but it's not overly compressed. boosting it will compress it and bring it more into engl type gain territory. also keep in mind that on the nitro, scott is using the updated gain taper. on the older splawns, i was running my gain around noon. but basically past 3:00 there wasn't much change in gain level. so for these newer amps, scott adjusted the sweep of the gain taper so that 3:00 is about where noon used to be. there's no less gain, it's just distributed differently across the taper. i remember when i first got my nitro and i dialed it in exactly how my old QR was dialed in and i was like WTF!? but then i figured out the thing about the new taper and confirmed it with scott the next morning. i like to run b/t 3 and 3:30. plenty-o-gain there =)
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Post by pauldem on Feb 13, 2008 14:41:36 GMT -5
I spoke to wndsen before I got the amp when I first bought the QR and he was and still is very helpful in regards to the amp.I am not trying to get it to sound like the powerball I want it to sound better after some time I feel I can accomplish this.I am just looking for some direction from you all in acomplishing an aggressive face pealing punch you in the gut tone out of the amp.I got my powerball there after some experimenting and i feel i can do it with the nitro.as far as speakers they are eminence V12's and are 120 watts each these cabs can handle everything I have ever thrown at them. No problem Magh8, If the guys from Killswitch dig the Nitro its a certainty that you can get the monster tone you're after. The only reason I asked about the speakers was regarding the the type and voicing. The Vader may sound cool with the Powerball (My PB sounded better through V30's than the stock Engl speakers) but its possible that the Nitro lends itself to the Splawn X pattern better. Just a thought. |
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Post by magh8 on Feb 14, 2008 2:28:15 GMT -5
well I got the nitro about where I want it tonight with a boost.(bad monkey)before the boost i got it sounding pretty good but it didn't sit to well with the band.I now think the nitro is a keeper.I didn't write my settings down so I will post them this w/e.I still have some dialing to do and I haven't got to try it with high gain JJ's in the preamp yet but I did put one in V2 before I left(thanks windsen)so I can hear the dif' friday.I will try all high gain JJ's in v2-v4 and a HG tungsol in V1 also.this combination is what IMO made my PB what it is and may also do justice to the Nitro...so I am now happy with the nitro will it work with the band that is the question..I would also like to thank all the guys who gave me advice on the amp...
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Post by sbk on Feb 14, 2008 10:46:24 GMT -5
well I got the nitro about where I want it tonight with a boost.(bad monkey)before the boost i got it sounding pretty good but it didn't sit to well with the band.I now think the nitro is a keeper.I didn't write my settings down so I will post them this w/e.I still have some dialing to do and I haven't got to try it with high gain JJ's in the preamp yet but I did put one in V2 before I left(thanks windsen)so I can hear the dif' friday.I will try all high gain JJ's in v2-v4 and a HG tungsol in V1 also.this combination is what IMO made my PB what it is and may also do justice to the Nitro...so I am now happy with the nitro will it work with the band that is the question..I would also like to thank all the guys who gave me advice on the amp... Hey Magh,why do you mean that it didnt sit well with the band.I am just curious. |
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Post by VomHalen on Feb 14, 2008 10:51:30 GMT -5
i don't want to be a d!ck but arguments like "the amp doesn't cut through in a band situation" or " it doesn't sit well with the band" are really lame.
if the amp doesn't cut through then TURN UP...and if it doesn't sit well with the band CHANGE the EQ...
i never understood these arguments
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Post by DonaldDemon on Feb 14, 2008 11:18:01 GMT -5
i don't want to be a d!ck but arguments like "the amp doesn't cut through in a band situation" or " it doesn't sit well with the band" are really lame. if the amp doesn't cut through then TURN UP...and if it doesn't sit well with the band CHANGE the EQ... i never understood these arguments Well, in his defense some amps do have a hardtime regardless of volume. They just seem to sit in the frequencies that get swallowed by cymbals, snare, bass, white noise, etc. the best example is the Dual Rectumfriers. I could not get mine to cut no matter how loud it was. Everytime I have seen a band use one of those I can never make out what the guitarist is playing. Instead you getthe wall of distortion thing going on. Now as for the Nitro, I can't see it beinga problem but then again I have never tried it in a band situation. |
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Post by chrismac on Feb 14, 2008 11:18:40 GMT -5
i don't want to be a d!ck but arguments like "the amp doesn't cut through in a band situation" or " it doesn't sit well with the band" are really lame. if the amp doesn't cut through then TURN UP...and if it doesn't sit well with the band CHANGE the EQ... i never understood these arguments the only problem i have is the band cutting through me....you know, whiny ass singers! |
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Post by coolarrow on Feb 14, 2008 11:19:31 GMT -5
^ me either. The funny thing though is that it is a widely held belief on the forums that magh8's other amp, the Powerball, doesn't cut in a band situation and he doesn't seem to have a problem with that.
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Post by magh8 on Feb 14, 2008 11:55:40 GMT -5
oh the amp cuts like a mother fooker but the other guitar player in the band has a triple rec and it is destroying it IMO.what I mean is getting the two amps to compliment each other.his amp is very compressed and very processed sounding(that's what he likes).so they may sound too Dif'.he is also a stubborn bastard as far as him changing his tone even slightly.I have a better chance of seeing god...lol
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Post by chrismac on Feb 14, 2008 12:19:23 GMT -5
oh the amp cuts like a mother fooker but the other guitar player in the band has a triple rec and it is destroying it IMO.what I mean is getting the two amps to compliment each other.his amp is very compressed and very processed sounding(that's what he likes).so they may sound too Dif'.he is also a stubborn bastard as far as him changing his tone even slightly.I have a better chance of seeing god...lol i have the same problem...mine gets pissed if you say anything at all about changing something. |
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Post by sbk on Feb 14, 2008 12:20:50 GMT -5
Hey Magh8,what you need to do is hire this sound guy and have him work the board so that he can turn down the other guitar players mix.  |
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Post by VomHalen on Feb 14, 2008 12:24:57 GMT -5
^
it's their own damn fault...they should've payed extra for the one without the "suck" button ;D
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Post by redneckgeetarist on Feb 14, 2008 12:37:14 GMT -5
i don't want to be a d!ck but arguments like "the amp doesn't cut through in a band situation" or " it doesn't sit well with the band" are really lame. if the amp doesn't cut through then TURN UP...and if it doesn't sit well with the band CHANGE the EQ... i never understood these arguments Well, in his defense some amps do have a hardtime regardless of volume. They just seem to sit in the frequencies that get swallowed by cymbals, snare, bass, white noise, etc. the best example is the Dual Rectumfriers. I could not get mine to cut no matter how loud it was. Everytime I have seen a band use one of those I can never make out what the guitarist is playing. Instead you getthe wall of distortion thing going on. Now as for the Nitro, I can't see it beinga problem but then again I have never tried it in a band situation. You should talk to Silverwulf about this, haha. he has a DR and his ALWAYS cuts through no matter what amp I'm playing. Ha, I'm always turning up..ha. He doesn't EQ to 'mud' either if you know what I mean. We are very mid freq friendly guitarists. Most poeple that use DR's don't know what a mid freq is. |
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