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Post by shreder75 on Feb 13, 2008 11:05:57 GMT -5
I don't think you'll ever get that thing to sound like a powerball....two totally different amps
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Post by VomHalen on Feb 13, 2008 11:14:41 GMT -5
techs haven't heard of ENGL but they've heard of SPLAWN?  |
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Post by sbk on Feb 13, 2008 11:15:27 GMT -5
Hello Magh8,I run my Nitro like this and get a killer sound.
Resonance off,Presence @ 12,Bass @ 3,Middle @ 10,Treble @ 1,Solo off but @ 10,Volume @ 8 or 9,Gain @ 3 on the overdrive channell.I have JJ KT 88`s and I use a Maxon OD808 for one guitar that has low output pickups and I use OD1 when I use the Maxon and OD 2 when I am not.The sound I get will slaughter packs of wild boars way down in Texas!!!
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Post by pauldem on Feb 13, 2008 11:21:20 GMT -5
I have a question for you.I am going to give the Nitro it second run tonight.I have a kt77 model.how would I get this amp into the realm of an Engl powerball(yes i do know they are completely dif' amps)or say a framus cobra.I bought this amp in the hopes it would destroy my powerball.I want to play Splawn because not many techs are familiar with Engl amps and if there is ever a problem they will more than likely fix the problem but they may not know what the amp suppose to sound like to be sure it has been fixed correctly.I am running the nitro thru a pair of Vader 412 cabs with either an 85 Jackson soloist with an emg89 and a Charvel model 6 with a dimarzio steves special. I'd suggest dropping Windsen a mail. His most recent clips have been Nitro running alongside a Framus Cobra. He may be able to help you with settings regarding a more aggressive tone. I noted that the cobra was running with a Maxon out front and the Nitro didn't require one, so I think you may find that a 'German tone' is possible. As Shred mentioned though the Engl is a different machine compared to the Marshall base that Scott uses for the Splawns. What speakers do you have in the Vaders? |
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Post by sbk on Feb 13, 2008 11:24:29 GMT -5
Its not that the Nitro needs a boost,but seriously,if you happen to have a very low output pickup,you kinda need a boost at "lower volumes".The boost is not needed when playing at higher volumes.There are so many factors involving your sound and the amp is only the beginning.
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Post by natemeanie on Feb 13, 2008 12:25:47 GMT -5
based on the powerball clips i have heard (none of which impressed me), the nitro is a more mid heavy amp. i would start with skb's settings and adjust the mid, resonance, and treble accordingly.
what kind of tone are you looking for?
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Post by windsen on Feb 13, 2008 12:50:47 GMT -5
whoa this thread turned crazy real quick.
i totally respect the fact that everyone has their personal preferences on tone. i'm not going to bash anyone for not getting along with the tone of an amp. but i wll speak up and say that i can't understand people bashing an amp by saying it was falsely advertised or that the recordings are falsified representations of the amp. i've put out probably 99% of the recordings of the nitro and i can tell you straight up that as far as the guitar signal goes, it's all just raw tracks. no effects in the chain at all, that includes post production. just plugged straight into the amp, mic'ed up and recorded as is. same with the videos up on youtube. i don't know how much more of an unprocessed representation you can get in terms of recordings.
one also has to remember than anything in the signal chain will affect the tone. a big part of this is speaker/cabinet choice. not every amp will get along with every type of cab. taking the time to experiment with that will be worth one's time. it does boggle my mind sometimes when some people wait months to get an amp and sell it after a day because it wasn't for them. i'm not about to tell anyone how to make their purchasing or selling decisions but that just seems like you're cutting yourself short. not every amp's eq will dial up the same. you really got to spend time tweaking with your ears and not by what you typically set other amps to.
please understand i'm not trying to bash anyone. i've gotten TONS of questions about the Nitro since getting mine in October and I try to be as objective as i can. heck i've even told several people that they probably wouldn't get along with the nitro just because it has some strong characteristics. that being said....i love this amp and have spent a lot of time messing with it. some people will dig it, other won't. so read up, do your research, ask questions, spend some honest time with the amps if you can, understand what's in your signal chain and how it can affect your sound.
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Post by magh8 on Feb 13, 2008 12:50:53 GMT -5
techs haven't heard of ENGL but they've heard of SPLAWN? well if I ever have a problem I can always send it to Scott right?It would more sence to send it to the guy who created it.again alot of people now know what engls are but there are still very few compared to say mesa or marshall in the states who get to hear or play them for themselves.now do you see where I am coming from....? |
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Post by porkchops on Feb 13, 2008 12:52:06 GMT -5
First off, dump those cabs and try a SPLAWN Big Block 4x12. It was meant for that amp. The speakers are a big player here. And a big AMEN!!! to TJ. :-)
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Post by windsen on Feb 13, 2008 12:52:46 GMT -5
based on the engls i've played and heard, the splawns have a very different type of distortion. it's not overly compressed (which please understand isn't a bad thing on any amp's part...it's all just preference). many players who have played highly compressed type hi-gain amps (i.e. engls, diezels) may find it takes some time to adjust to something a bit more open and raw sounding such as the splawn.
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Post by magh8 on Feb 13, 2008 13:02:04 GMT -5
I have a question for you.I am going to give the Nitro it second run tonight.I have a kt77 model.how would I get this amp into the realm of an Engl powerball(yes i do know they are completely dif' amps)or say a framus cobra.I bought this amp in the hopes it would destroy my powerball.I want to play Splawn because not many techs are familiar with Engl amps and if there is ever a problem they will more than likely fix the problem but they may not know what the amp suppose to sound like to be sure it has been fixed correctly.I am running the nitro thru a pair of Vader 412 cabs with either an 85 Jackson soloist with an emg89 and a Charvel model 6 with a dimarzio steves special. I'd suggest dropping Windsen a mail. His most recent clips have been Nitro running alongside a Framus Cobra. He may be able to help you with settings regarding a more aggressive tone. I noted that the cobra was running with a Maxon out front and the Nitro didn't require one, so I think you may find that a 'German tone' is possible. As Shred mentioned though the Engl is a different machine compared to the Marshall base that Scott uses for the Splawns. What speakers do you have in the Vaders? I spoke to wndsen before I got the amp when I first bought the QR and he was and still is very helpful in regards to the amp.I am not trying to get it to sound like the powerball I want it to sound better after some time I feel I can accomplish this.I am just looking for some direction from you all in acomplishing an aggressive face pealing punch you in the gut tone out of the amp.I got my powerball there after some experimenting and i feel i can do it with the nitro.as far as speakers they are eminence V12's and are 120 watts each these cabs can handle everything I have ever thrown at them. |
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Post by magh8 on Feb 13, 2008 13:04:28 GMT -5
First off, dump those cabs and try a SPLAWN Big Block 4x12. It was meant for that amp. The speakers are a big player here. And a big AMEN!!! to TJ. :-) I owned a splawn 412 GOV/MOW before the vaders and IMO the vader crushed it.I will say the splawn is the best cab I have owned otherwise. |
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Post by coolarrow on Feb 13, 2008 13:16:59 GMT -5
based on the engls i've played and heard, the splawns have a very different type of distortion. it's not overly compressed (which please understand isn't a bad thing on any amp's part...it's all just preference). many players who have played highly compressed type hi-gain amps (i.e. engls, diezels) may find it takes some time to adjust to something a bit more open and raw sounding such as the splawn. As Windsen points out - that was my intitial issue. I had been playing ENGLs and diezels for the last 6 months. The Nitro was not what I was used to hearing from a high-gain amp. I did sell my SE to get a Nitro and a Fireball. I then offed the Fireball shortly after the Nitro came. I still have cab issues with my v30 cab but my eq helps with that. I'll be getting a Splawn cab soon. I too wanted to get rid of my ENGL SE for fear of ending up with a $3,000 paper-weight because noone would work on it if there was a problem (not that anything eminently was wrong with it). Another fact, TJ definitely needs to sip alittle more lightly on the cool-aid.  |
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Post by coolarrow on Feb 13, 2008 13:20:09 GMT -5
First off, dump those cabs and try a SPLAWN Big Block 4x12. It was meant for that amp. The speakers are a big player here. And a big AMEN!!! to TJ. :-) I'm afraid to go that route for fear that it may be too boomy in the low-end and not tight enough. I'm thinking about an X-pattern with some of the small blocks or governors. I just don't know. |
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Post by windsen on Feb 13, 2008 13:25:29 GMT -5
matt, i'm still experimenting on what speakers would match up best with the nitro. i was playing the nitro through my 212 w/ the new sb25s (as opposed to the sb65s in one of my 412s) and was REALLY liking it. those speakers are absolutely amazing. scott mentioned to that he was going to try out an x-pattern w/ the BBs and the SB25s. the SB25s are very tight. i'm still not completely sold on the BBs for me...they are great speakers but might just not be for me. like you said sb25s/govs might be a good combo as well.
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