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Post by DonaldDemon on Dec 1, 2007 12:32:24 GMT -5
+1 This is basically the post I was going to make. In a live setting the loop concern is obsolete, The tone of the amp far outshines the SLIGHT coloration of the solid state loop. I'm sure Scott has a damn good reason for designing his amps this way and they still rock. While I tend to agree the audience wouldn't know the difference...that's not really who I'm buying the amp for. There's a bit of rationalizing when it comes to the quality of the fx loops of the splawns that's the norm. I don't mean to sound bad in any way. Instead of rationalizing...wouldn't it be cool if it had a better fx loop, one that doesn't jack with that beautiful tone? Really your paying 2 grand for a killer gain channel with some cool switchable boost and ods. The clean channel and fx loop are not what people are spending the money on. When you look at it like that...it's not a better deal than anything else on the market. Besides, many posts here have described the coloration as a lot more than slight, but then again users say it is. Scott says it does in the faq. I think there's a bit of keeping the cost down which is why there's not a better loop. It would be cool to at least have it as an option or a mod. What I was saying is that the difference is slight and not an issue to many who are playing live, not what the audience hears. Who cares what they think of my rock sound. ;D I mean, at gig volumes the loop catches up to the power section as Scott describes it. It's really only a bigger difference at bedroom levels and even still..the amp sounds better than most on the market. Look at it this way. Maybe a tube buffered loop would sound more organic or natural BUT all the people that are in love with the Splawn amp sound here and elsewhere are using them with the way the loop is currently designed. That is part of the Splawn sound. Maybe if Scott added another tube circuit and components to make the loop buffered the amp wouldn't have that signature Splawn sound that so many are digging. There are a lot of variables to an amp design and I believe, IMO that one major reason Scott's amp have that clear ariculate gain is because the design has been kept pretty simplistic. The more that gets added to the circuit may result in degradation of tone. Oh...and someone get Scooby a snack, he's grumpy.  |
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Post by scoobrock on Dec 1, 2007 12:53:28 GMT -5
I'm telling you why people are acting a certain way towards you, and you think I'm telling you to F off. Guys tried to provide info on their experience with the amp, and they did as well a couple other ideas you may or may not like. But without owning the amp and saying why you don't like the effects loop (have you played through it?) - over and over...then it gets old to people, that's all man. It a difference of opinion, some of it based on experience with the amp, some not. Sorry you don't like the difference. I hope you buy a Splawn, but it doesn't sound like you want to anyway, due to the effects loop. You've been a member of the board longer than I have, so you should know by now if you are going to get one, right? Or are you just stirring the pot? This board isn't run by Splawn...it's a fan board. People throw out the "Scott probably wouldn't like what you said" stuff all the time. A lot more amps have been sold than not sold because of this board, like mine. I came on, asked some newbie questions, I didn't have an opinion either way because I never played through one...and bought the amp. The effects loop didn't matter to me because there are tons of clips with the amp sounding killer without any effects...if you start with a killer sound, the effects loop isn't going to trash the tone. It's not like you are buying a Porsche with Yugo engine... Nobody was acting any way with me, accept the first dude who undenyably went of the deep end...it happens, no bad on that guy...and you putting words in my mouth saying I said "I don't like Splawn" among other things. I never said anything bad about Splawn amps, . The contrary actually(like I want one, sounds incredible..again that's why I'm here). So I was clearing that up. Everyone else was super cool and objective, and some agreed with me. Why would you think I'm stirring a pot? Been frequenting a forum full of trolls like shell shock or something?...I'm not saying anything that should get old about the fx loop lol, and I'm not the only one saying it could be better. Why would you hope anything like that? That's just not cool man...don't get evil on me.... Sigh......man, you're just makin' stuff up from nowhere. Don't lecture me because I have a different opinion than you do. You're not making a very good case for yourself, and as I fear it's become a pissing contest with you. Man I don't want that..... I've been nothing but nice here and I stand by everything that I've said(none of it was rude). Other than chatting with VOM about tube effects loops, there's no "on and on"... You should re-read through the thread and look what's been posted. You're goin' too far with it man. sigh...no one was lecturing you. you are reading far too much into it. Jeez - yeah, I'm trying to make a case. What am I hoping? I said I hope you get a Splawn...re-read it yourself. Whatever man, I tried to help back about 3 rants ago...and you need to plug your guitar and all your stuff into it if you are that worried about it. Or you will never know was my whole point. But, maybe I took your posts wrong, and if that is the case and you aren't here like a few others that just come on once every month or so to slag this and that, sorry. Yeah, I guess I am a little grumpy...I could care less about pissing contests. |
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Post by pauldem on Dec 1, 2007 19:06:53 GMT -5
Well Scoob maybe grumpy, but I think he's right man. You came in with this: I love the sound of the Nitro from the clips...it seems to have a really great sound/feel I would love to have in an amp..... Unfortunately, the splawn fx loop is a deal breaker for me. When will scott put a proper tube buffered fx loop in his amps? I would love to get the nitro....but I can't interface it with the rest of my gear:( Yes all gear leaves a mark on the tone excuse is probably coming...but you can get around what the fx units add color wise to the dry sound easily with the right gear....but the loop itself should not add to the sound as well. Scott, please but a good fx loop in your amps. Man I want a Nitro You state how its a deal breaker for you and that Scott should put a 'good' fx loop in. Tube buffered maybe cool and people may have sited some issues with the loop, but if you've not tried it yourself how can you make any of the above comments. Now before you fly off with your 'zealotry'/'check yourself' stuff, I currently do not have a Splawn amp. I have a QR on order and that decision was made based on the clips and information obtained from the guys here. My main consideration was getting the awesome Splawn tone, but like yourself I also read through the possible shortfalls including the loop. What I didn't do was start a thread saying "I Love the Splawn tone but why won't Scott make an amp with 3 channels??". I don't think you can say that you were not being negative about Splawn, when your opening gambit is "When will scott put a proper tube buffered fx loop in his amps?" I think the following would've been reached far quicker and with zero negativity if you'd asked, " I have all this gear, can I get it to sound good through the Splawn effects loop as it stands?" Ok...thanks everyone for your help. From what I've read you can compensate for the loop coloration by carefully setting the levels back into the return correct? If so, that would not be a big deal to me at all. I'm not saying you came looking for a fight, but your initial question was already biased. I hope you do get a Nitro and I hope the info that Silverwulf, DD and the other guys provided helps you to tame the loop. I'm not trying to insite anything further, I just don't think you can form a detrimental opinion on something without actually trying it. Cheers |
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Post by scoobrock on Dec 2, 2007 13:44:17 GMT -5
thanks Paul...that's the way I read it too. if that's not the case - cool. ...sigh
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Post by scoobrock on Dec 2, 2007 13:59:33 GMT -5
that very well could be the case... i run my loop 24 /7...infact...the only time i play without is when i'm jamming with tuskerkev. love it, scott don't change a thing That's just retarded....why wouldn't you want something better? A solid state loop is better than a tube one....by gosh that's just not rawk(jk;) Seriously, you'd be seriously kidding yourself thinking I was the first to think this..... A good loop should not effect the tone that dramatically...I think scott's designs deserve a better loop...from where I stand, they have pretty much the perfect high gain sound. ima tool |
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Post by pauldem on Dec 2, 2007 17:35:05 GMT -5
thanks Paul...that's the way I read it too. if that's not the case - cool. ...sigh No probs man, your point was valid. I don't know how anyone can dismiss something without ever using it. With the tone that the Splawn amps have, I'd give them a shot no matter what the suggested limitations might be. |
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Post by shinysurface on Dec 6, 2007 7:30:02 GMT -5
I'm a Splawn fan and user and think the loop sucks tone, despite if Shredder thinks I'm crazy or maybe DC thinks it's a figment of my imagination... ;D If I had it my way, I'd have a better sounding and/or more transparent loop in the amps. Would it stop me from buying or using the amp? No. While it does alter your tone IMO, it's not a terrible loop than you can't nudge a knob or two in another direction and get virtually the same tone as you had before. In a live, full band setting...you're not going to notice the difference at all. Play in a bigger venue and the sound man will butcher your tone worse turning knobs behind the board more than that loop ever will. When you go to record, you're likely not going to have that garbage in the loop anyway...so where's the problem? Do I think it could be a better loop? Yes. Is it pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things for practical purposes? Yes, I do believe so. I agree with this. I would only use the loop live, and at that volume the tone difference is minimized and can be dealt with easily enough (for me at least). For recording, I would record the amp dry and add effects later. If you are a bedroom player that has to have the loop on all the time, than I could understand if the loop seems bothersome. To the original poster, the reason alot of tube buffered effects loops seem transparent is because they are always on! You can't take them out of the circuit. Even amps that have tube buffered effects loops where the loop can be bypassed, you will still still hear a change in tone. |
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Post by cashonly on Dec 8, 2007 23:03:37 GMT -5
guys im sorry!the splawn is close but no cigaro!effects loop must be TUBE!at louder volumes the loop gets better but steals your compression.i got over the whole loop mess,what i couldnt deal with was an amp that didnt saturate-ie:the amp starts at plexi and ends up at hot plexi-in other words NO BROWN SOUND!if you r in2 godsmack this is the right amp 4 you-plenty of harsh barking.if you like 80s metal,classic rock,even blues,then try the evh 5150-3.the new evh does what the splawn claims to do.dont get all splawned out,hold your vaginas-im not saying the amp sucks-im just saying its limited.we have a new amp company that needs to improve its overall tone and effects loop.its very brittle when you play the 80s stuff ie: VH,LYNCH,PRIEST.its dead on if you like T RAMBOLA.josh and scott r great people,i hope they keep evolving as a company but right now i must say bye-bye to my splawn.ok im done let go of your vaginas and start trashing me.
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Post by scoobrock on Dec 9, 2007 0:57:53 GMT -5
guys im sorry!the splawn is close but no cigaro!effects loop must be TUBE!at louder volumes the loop gets better but steals your compression.i got over the whole loop mess,what i couldnt deal with was an amp that didnt saturate-ie:the amp starts at plexi and ends up at hot plexi-in other words NO BROWN SOUND!if you r in2 godsmack this is the right amp 4 you-plenty of harsh barking.if you like 80s metal,classic rock,even blues,then try the evh 5150-3.the new evh does what the splawn claims to do.dont get all splawned out,hold your vaginas-im not saying the amp sucks-im just saying its limited.we have a new amp company that needs to improve its overall tone and effects loop.its very brittle when you play the 80s stuff ie: VH,LYNCH,PRIEST.its dead on if you like T RAMBOLA.josh and scott r great people,i hope they keep evolving as a company but right now i must say bye-bye to my splawn.ok im done let go of your vaginas and start trashing me. I've seen a bunch of people ditching their 5153's already man. Did you try that button on your footswitch labled OD2? That's the hot rod brown button. I don't get it. You guys and your loops are crazy. Stop using it and start playing without all that garbage - 40 pedals and a refridgerator sized rack full of Eventide isn't gonna get you the brown sound either. I came from a Single rectifier...that's Godsmack. Pedals sound fine in front of the amp. Bump up the volume on them a little to tweak the input vol (just a little) and they sound great. Why do you need a Hi-Def 24 bit super processed sound for playing live? Honestly, I don't care...Mine sounds good, I'll never convince the unconvinced otherwise. Good day. |
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Post by gtrwun on Dec 9, 2007 4:13:58 GMT -5
Call me old......but Ive been playing,buying and collecting amps for 30 years. Ive never bought or sold an amp based on an effects loop and in my opinion, unless your Andy Summers, or the Edge, you've got your priorities screwed up if you are. When your playing live, or recording for that matter(probably the 2 most important things you'll do with your amp) you'll be adding effects in the mix. Yeah, I use some chorus on my clean stuff, and it sounds great in front of the amp. Delay is never going to sound good unless its added in the mix live by a good sound engineer. Tube effects loop? Whatever.....ive never had an amp with a tube loop, and I wouldn't care if it did. If you think the Splawn you played isn't brown, I dont know what to tell you except there are lots of things that go into an amps tone.......tubes,bias,guitar,pickups, HANDS. Lots of guys here and all over the world are discovering these amps, and obviously they aren't for everyone. Maybe if you hung out here and had more than 5 posts guys would take you more seriously.....until then, your just another guy with a negative opinion about SPLAWN AMPS ON A SPLAWN FORUM.......nuff said   Oh, and BTW, all the guys you mentioned used Plexi's at one point to get the tones we all love,kind of a contradiction considering your Plexi comment regarding the Splawn...... |
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Post by TuskerKevin on Dec 9, 2007 8:13:29 GMT -5
guys im sorry!the splawn is close but no cigaro!effects loop must be TUBE!at louder volumes the loop gets better but steals your compression.i got over the whole loop mess,what i couldnt deal with was an amp that didnt saturate-ie:the amp starts at plexi and ends up at hot plexi-in other words NO BROWN SOUND!if you r in2 godsmack this is the right amp 4 you-plenty of harsh barking.if you like 80s metal,classic rock,even blues,then try the evh 5150-3.the new evh does what the splawn claims to do.dont get all splawned out,hold your vaginas-im not saying the amp sucks-im just saying its limited.we have a new amp company that needs to improve its overall tone and effects loop.its very brittle when you play the 80s stuff ie: VH,LYNCH,PRIEST.its dead on if you like T RAMBOLA.josh and scott r great people,i hope they keep evolving as a company but right now i must say bye-bye to my splawn.ok im done let go of your vaginas and start trashing me. Not brown? Uhhhhh.......I don't even know what to say man. |
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Post by metalheadmike on Dec 9, 2007 12:04:03 GMT -5
guys im sorry!the splawn is close but no cigaro!effects loop must be TUBE!at louder volumes the loop gets better but steals your compression.i got over the whole loop mess,what i couldnt deal with was an amp that didnt saturate-ie:the amp starts at plexi and ends up at hot plexi-in other words NO BROWN SOUND!if you r in2 godsmack this is the right amp 4 you-plenty of harsh barking.if you like 80s metal,classic rock,even blues,then try the evh 5150-3.the new evh does what the splawn claims to do.dont get all splawned out,hold your vaginas-im not saying the amp sucks-im just saying its limited.we have a new amp company that needs to improve its overall tone and effects loop.its very brittle when you play the 80s stuff ie: VH,LYNCH,PRIEST.its dead on if you like T RAMBOLA.josh and scott r great people,i hope they keep evolving as a company but right now i must say bye-bye to my splawn.ok im done let go of your vaginas and start trashing me. I sure hope this is your last post, because its pretty freakin' ridiculous. |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Dec 17, 2007 9:52:15 GMT -5
guys im sorry!the splawn is close but no cigaro!effects loop must be TUBE!at louder volumes the loop gets better but steals your compression.i got over the whole loop mess,what i couldnt deal with was an amp that didnt saturate-ie:the amp starts at plexi and ends up at hot plexi-in other words NO BROWN SOUND!if you r in2 godsmack this is the right amp 4 you-plenty of harsh barking.if you like 80s metal,classic rock,even blues,then try the evh 5150-3.the new evh does what the splawn claims to do.dont get all splawned out,hold your vaginas-im not saying the amp sucks-im just saying its limited.we have a new amp company that needs to improve its overall tone and effects loop.its very brittle when you play the 80s stuff ie: VH,LYNCH,PRIEST.its dead on if you like T RAMBOLA.josh and scott r great people,i hope they keep evolving as a company but right now i must say bye-bye to my splawn.ok im done let go of your vaginas and start trashing me. I sure hope this is your last post, because its pretty freakin' ridiculous. Amen. That's not even worth responding to. All I can think is:  |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Dec 17, 2007 14:10:00 GMT -5
Anyone who would buy (or not buy) an amp based on the effects loop needs to take a serious look at what they are doing not only as a player but as a performer. There are alot of ways around this, try the VHT Valvulator w/ your pedals and straight into the front of the amp. No tone loss, no loop needed.
Try going into a pro studio with your rack full of bullsh1t running through your loop and watch as everyone laughs at you for being such a NOOB.
Anyone who would put their gay fcking effects above the stand-alone sound of an amp needs to sit down and re-evaluate what they are trying to accomplish. When things are said and done, there is always another effect you can run in a different way, but the sound of a good amp like the Splawn is much harder to achieve in the overall scheme of things... and if your effects are more important then your tone, just buy a fcking line6 and save yourselff some $$$.
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 17, 2007 14:32:15 GMT -5
Anyone who would buy (or not buy) an amp based on the effects loop needs to take a serious look at what they are doing not only as a player but as a performer. There are alot of ways around this, try the VHT Valvulator w/ your pedals and straight into the front of the amp. No tone loss, no loop needed. Try going into a pro studio with your rack full of bullsh1t running through your loop and watch as everyone laughs at you for being such a NOOB. Anyone who would put their gay fcking effects above the stand-alone sound of an amp needs to sit down and re-evaluate what they are trying to accomplish. When things are said and done, there is always another effect you can run in a different way, but the sound of a good amp like the Splawn is much harder to achieve in the overall scheme of things... and if your effects are more important then your tone, just buy a fcking line6 and save yourselff some $$$. every once in a while DC writes a really good post...this is one of them |
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Oh, and BTW, all the guys you mentioned used Plexi's at one point to get the tones we all love,kind of a contradiction considering your Plexi comment regarding the Splawn......
