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Post by john01w on Nov 30, 2007 18:28:43 GMT -5
I'd have gone for nice rack, but I don't think you should say that to guys  . Its a cool setup man, but do you need all that stuff to get your sound. I know people love there rigs, but I'm pretty sure dudes like Kotzen and Eklundh plug straight in and sound pretty sweet. I tried the rack route and am back to pedals again, but then I'm a bozo. My main sound is nothing but a John Suhr modded 3+SE tube preamp(with heyboer tranny, voltage, crosstalk, and blackface mods) through a 2:90.....as "amp" as you can get;) No tweaking of the main tone comes from the effects units....The eventide is for diatonic harmonies for leads(set up on an IA on the gcp) and the most killer delays you will ever hear, as well as a whole host of other cool things, but that's the main duty of the the eventide. Delays for gain sounds are better after the preamp or in the loop.... The lexicon mpx-1 adds a touch of verb and delay to my clean sounds....I have a vintage ibanez cs-9 chorus pedal for cleans.... The phase 90, and vintage mxr flanger are for my evh fix(though i don't really try to cop the tones) The switchblade is a switcher/router/mixer....it allows you to have your dry tone intact so there's no coloration of the fx on the core sound....plus allows me to switch anything to anything, controlled by midi(totally analog....can't tell the difference between the cable and the switchblade...it's that clean) THe grx4 is just a looper which switches the pedals in and out of my guitar signal(in front of the amp)...if it's not being used it's totally bypassed.... all cables are sommer, and gepco from lava cable... THe main tone is awesome on it's own...the effects are just candy...so NO, it doesn't need the effects...but they sure are nice..... What these specific rack units are used for...pedals don't come close...and I love pedals....  |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Nov 30, 2007 18:44:42 GMT -5
I'm a Splawn fan and user and think the loop sucks tone, despite if Shredder thinks I'm crazy or maybe DC thinks it's a figment of my imagination... ;D If I had it my way, I'd have a better sounding and/or more transparent loop in the amps. Would it stop me from buying or using the amp? No. While it does alter your tone IMO, it's not a terrible loop than you can't nudge a knob or two in another direction and get virtually the same tone as you had before. In a live, full band setting...you're not going to notice the difference at all. Play in a bigger venue and the sound man will butcher your tone worse turning knobs behind the board more than that loop ever will. When you go to record, you're likely not going to have that garbage in the loop anyway...so where's the problem? Do I think it could be a better loop? Yes. Is it pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things for practical purposes? Yes, I do believe so. +1 This is basically the post I was going to make. In a live setting the loop concern is obsolete, The tone of the amp far outshines the SLIGHT coloration of the solid state loop. I'm sure Scott has a damn good reason for designing his amps this way and they still rock. |
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Post by pauldem on Nov 30, 2007 18:48:49 GMT -5
I think this is why I went back to pedals, I lack the knowledge to master such a setup. All of what you mention made sense to me, but I think I'd have trouble configuring and understanding the finer points. I simply got frustrated with the midi interface and have a rather vague grasp of effect order and consequence. See a bozo Do you have any soundbites? I'd like to hear what such a setup is capable of. |
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Post by windsen on Nov 30, 2007 18:49:27 GMT -5
I'm a Splawn fan and user and think the loop sucks tone, despite if Shredder thinks I'm crazy or maybe DC thinks it's a figment of my imagination... ;D If I had it my way, I'd have a better sounding and/or more transparent loop in the amps. Would it stop me from buying or using the amp? No. While it does alter your tone IMO, it's not a terrible loop than you can't nudge a knob or two in another direction and get virtually the same tone as you had before. In a live, full band setting...you're not going to notice the difference at all. Play in a bigger venue and the sound man will butcher your tone worse turning knobs behind the board more than that loop ever will. When you go to record, you're likely not going to have that garbage in the loop anyway...so where's the problem? Do I think it could be a better loop? Yes. Is it pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things for practical purposes? Yes, I do believe so. +1 This is basically the post I was going to make. In a live setting the loop concern is obsolete, The tone of the amp far outshines the SLIGHT coloration of the solid state loop. I'm sure Scott has a damn good reason for designing his amps this way and they still rock. +1 again. I played live with my QR with the loop engaged all the time. Again, at gig volumes, the amp melts faces. period. It still has all it's responsivness, articulation, etc. If you're playing at super low volumes, like with a volume pedal in the loop, then yea there is some noticable differences but man the amp still is amazing. I haven't gigged with my Nitro but I can tell it's the same story as well. |
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Post by scoobrock on Nov 30, 2007 19:08:05 GMT -5
yeah, for the most part tone is in your hands, not in your million dollar gear. yes, I own a QR, so I am a bit of a hypocrite. But it sounds good with a ME-50 running in front of it, so the effects loop cannot be a deal breaker.
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Post by john01w on Nov 30, 2007 19:16:59 GMT -5
yeah, for the most part tone is in your hands, not in your million dollar gear. yes, I own a QR, so I am a bit of a hypocrite. But it sounds good with a ME-50 running in front of it, so the effects loop cannot be a deal breaker. Truth in those words(tone in the hands)...but a good amp definitely helps doesn't it?  It's a bit of a deal breaker for me...I wish it wasn't. Those nitro clips have me drooling. Scott has got it down(heck of a nice guy too from the couple of times I talked to him and email, very professional) |
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Post by john01w on Nov 30, 2007 19:29:22 GMT -5
I'm a Splawn fan and user and think the loop sucks tone, despite if Shredder thinks I'm crazy or maybe DC thinks it's a figment of my imagination... ;D If I had it my way, I'd have a better sounding and/or more transparent loop in the amps. Would it stop me from buying or using the amp? No. While it does alter your tone IMO, it's not a terrible loop than you can't nudge a knob or two in another direction and get virtually the same tone as you had before. In a live, full band setting...you're not going to notice the difference at all. Play in a bigger venue and the sound man will butcher your tone worse turning knobs behind the board more than that loop ever will. When you go to record, you're likely not going to have that garbage in the loop anyway...so where's the problem? Do I think it could be a better loop? Yes. Is it pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things for practical purposes? Yes, I do believe so. +1 This is basically the post I was going to make. In a live setting the loop concern is obsolete, The tone of the amp far outshines the SLIGHT coloration of the solid state loop. I'm sure Scott has a damn good reason for designing his amps this way and they still rock. While I tend to agree the audience wouldn't know the difference...that's not really who I'm buying the amp for. There's a bit of rationalizing when it comes to the quality of the fx loops of the splawns that's the norm. I don't mean to sound bad in any way. Instead of rationalizing...wouldn't it be cool if it had a better fx loop, one that doesn't jack with that beautiful tone? Really your paying 2 grand for a killer gain channel with some cool switchable boost and ods. The clean channel and fx loop are not what people are spending the money on. When you look at it like that...it's not a better deal than anything else on the market. Besides, many posts here have described the coloration as a lot more than slight, but then again users say it is. Scott says it does in the faq. I think there's a bit of keeping the cost down which is why there's not a better loop. It would be cool to at least have it as an option or a mod. |
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Post by scoobrock on Nov 30, 2007 19:37:55 GMT -5
so you use an effect switching looper if it means that much to you then...you can buy true bypass A/B boxes...run effects straight into the amp from the B side. The loop in any amp seems to sound a little sterile to my ears anyway....playing live is not a controlled environment, power sucks half the time, lights are adding noise to your rig, people (singers) spill beer on your pedals.
I hear what you are saying...but you own an OD100 or a 4+A or whatever and are coming on this board complaining about Splawns. People do this this from time to time, and it gets old dude. ask Tubez or jimbax. it's becomes a broken record, you don't like it, we get it. You don't even own one...so people are going to take anything you say with a "WTF?" angle to it anyway...
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Post by john01w on Nov 30, 2007 20:04:39 GMT -5
so you use an effect switching looper if it means that much to you then...you can buy true bypass A/B boxes...run effects straight into the amp from the B side. The loop in any amp seems to sound a little sterile to my ears anyway....playing live is not a controlled environment, power sucks half the time, lights are adding noise to your rig, people (singers) spill beer on your pedals. I hear what you are saying...but you own an OD100 or a 4+A or whatever and are coming on this board complaining about Splawns. People do this this from time to time, and it gets old dude. ask Tubez or jimbax. it's becomes a broken record, you don't like it, we get it. You don't even own one...so people are going to take anything you say with a "WTF?" angle to it anyway... I'm not at all trying to do the elitest thing at all or am complaining. I'm praising the sound of the splawns, that's why I'm here...I would love a nitro. I never said I don't like anything, just that I wish it had a better loop...lot's of Splawn owners say that here as well.....enought that Splawn felt they had to add it to the faq I don't need to own a splawn to know that the effects loop could be better...or adds something...all I have to do is do a search here, read the faq and the manual. You're getting really upset about nothing man. Someone owning some nice gear makes you feel that way then it's on you not me....I didn't sign on for a pissing contest. If I didn't like the splawn sound I wouldn't be here, and the tude of "you're not part of our lil' club then fawk u" isn't going to help anyone. It's not like you built the thing. Jeez man..all I said was I wish it had a better loop...a guy goes nuts and says I'm a line6 so I show...some people ask me questions about my gear and I answer and I get unwarranted sh!t. Not professional, and I don't think the guys at Splawn would subcribe to it. Check yourselves...unless you like having a rep of being a zealot..because that's what's happening....I haven't done any of the stuff you're reading into it...I'm trying to buy an amp |
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Post by scoobrock on Dec 1, 2007 0:36:07 GMT -5
I'm telling you why people are acting a certain way towards you, and you think I'm telling you to F off. Guys tried to provide info on their experience with the amp, and they did as well a couple other ideas you may or may not like. But without owning the amp and saying why you don't like the effects loop (have you played through it?) - over and over...then it gets old to people, that's all man. It a difference of opinion, some of it based on experience with the amp, some not. Sorry you don't like the difference. I hope you buy a Splawn, but it doesn't sound like you want to anyway, due to the effects loop. You've been a member of the board longer than I have, so you should know by now if you are going to get one, right? Or are you just stirring the pot?
This board isn't run by Splawn...it's a fan board. People throw out the "Scott probably wouldn't like what you said" stuff all the time. A lot more amps have been sold than not sold because of this board, like mine. I came on, asked some newbie questions, I didn't have an opinion either way because I never played through one...and bought the amp. The effects loop didn't matter to me because there are tons of clips with the amp sounding killer without any effects...if you start with a killer sound, the effects loop isn't going to trash the tone. It's not like you are buying a Porsche with Yugo engine...
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Post by john01w on Dec 1, 2007 1:40:22 GMT -5
I'm telling you why people are acting a certain way towards you, and you think I'm telling you to F off. Guys tried to provide info on their experience with the amp, and they did as well a couple other ideas you may or may not like. But without owning the amp and saying why you don't like the effects loop (have you played through it?) - over and over...then it gets old to people, that's all man. It a difference of opinion, some of it based on experience with the amp, some not. Sorry you don't like the difference. I hope you buy a Splawn, but it doesn't sound like you want to anyway, due to the effects loop. You've been a member of the board longer than I have, so you should know by now if you are going to get one, right? Or are you just stirring the pot? This board isn't run by Splawn...it's a fan board. People throw out the "Scott probably wouldn't like what you said" stuff all the time. A lot more amps have been sold than not sold because of this board, like mine. I came on, asked some newbie questions, I didn't have an opinion either way because I never played through one...and bought the amp. The effects loop didn't matter to me because there are tons of clips with the amp sounding killer without any effects...if you start with a killer sound, the effects loop isn't going to trash the tone. It's not like you are buying a Porsche with Yugo engine... Nobody was acting any way with me, accept the first dude who undenyably went of the deep end...it happens, no bad on that guy...and you putting words in my mouth saying I said "I don't like Splawn" among other things. I never said anything bad about Splawn amps, . The contrary actually(like I want one, sounds incredible..again that's why I'm here). So I was clearing that up. Everyone else was super cool and objective, and some agreed with me. Why would you think I'm stirring a pot? Been frequenting a forum full of trolls like shell shock or something?...I'm not saying anything that should get old about the fx loop lol, and I'm not the only one saying it could be better. Why would you hope anything like that? That's just not cool man...don't get evil on me.... Sigh......man, you're just makin' stuff up from nowhere. Don't lecture me because I have a different opinion than you do. You're not making a very good case for yourself, and as I fear it's become a pissing contest with you. Man I don't want that..... I've been nothing but nice here and I stand by everything that I've said(none of it was rude). Other than chatting with VOM about tube effects loops, there's no "on and on"... You should re-read through the thread and look what's been posted. You're goin' too far with it man. |
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Post by john01w on Dec 1, 2007 1:55:25 GMT -5
Thanks mang:) It's a desert island unit...it definitely pulls off the good tracking of Passion and Warfare and Perpetual Burn type harmonies, and some cool aces high twin leads when needed hehe:) ...and the delays really are awe-inspiring not to mention the mods and verbs which also sound really great. That unit continues to inspire. I could only imagine how awesome it would sound with the Nitro  |
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Post by john01w on Dec 1, 2007 1:56:38 GMT -5
Ok...thanks everyone for your help. From what I've read you can compensate for the loop coloration by carefully setting the levels back into the return correct? If so, that would not be a big deal to me at all.
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Post by TuskerKevin on Dec 1, 2007 7:46:38 GMT -5
Thanks mang:) It's a desert island unit...it definitely pulls off the good tracking of Passion and Warfare and Perpetual Burn type harmonies, and some cool aces high twin leads when needed hehe:) ...and the delays really are awe-inspiring not to mention the mods and verbs which also sound really great. That unit continues to inspire. I could only imagine how awesome it would sound with the Nitro Ooooooh yeah, having been at the Splawn Convention...that Nitro would sound killer with the Eventide. Have you seen all the vids of the Nitro from the convention? |
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Post by kramerxxx on Dec 1, 2007 11:42:42 GMT -5
OK, I'm probably going to be roasted for this.
I own an older Pro Mod, shared EQ, Mercury iron.
I agree the loop could be better, But......
This is the first amp I've owned that I felt no need to play with effects, and that is saying something. AND, it has definitely sharpened my chops.
I do occassionally run a DD-6 and an Ernie Ball volume pedal through the loop to have a little more control of my volume. This allows me to run the power section hotter and I only use that last 2% of the EB Volume for the end of set, dance floor is full solos.
Something to consider:
If I had a 2:90 or equiv power amp for live shows, I'd be running a wet/dry setup instead of a stereo setup, if I wanted delay or any post Preamp processing. That way you have the Greatness of Splawn Tone with the effects you want mixed in. Eric Johnson has a good method of doing this. You really cannot hear stereo in the audience anyway.
Just my 2 cents here.
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