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Post by AndyK on Feb 14, 2008 21:05:16 GMT -5
Oh, that's what started that post by motorcop! Funny! Your question was not THAT obscure - if you know Loudness! I have to buy a few Loudness tunes on iTune! Motorcop was too busy coping Poison licks to bother listening to a killer band like Loudness ;D Aikra is very underated here in the USA  Oh,I think I need to learn this volume trick as I tend to catch myself wanting to play way after hours and can't  Ha! Poison. I like some of their tunes, but the guitar is so processed and buried in the mix. The volume trick lets you lower the volume to whisper levels. You wouldn't believe how low the volume was in my video! |
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Post by metaltronixmike on Feb 17, 2008 11:47:10 GMT -5
Hi All,
New to the forum. I've been reading about the volume pedal in the loop. Anyone using an attenuator rather than the volume pedal? I've run my other amps through an ultimate attenuator for a few years with good results. Comments? Thanks. Mike
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Post by Jammermatt on Feb 17, 2008 11:58:35 GMT -5
Using a Hot Plate right now. It works fine. But, I prefer the volume pedal way - feels "looser" if that means anything.
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Post by metaltronixmike on Feb 17, 2008 12:08:17 GMT -5
Yes, I think I know what you mean. I'll give it try myself. BTW, listened to some of your clips. Nice chops.
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Post by AndyK on Feb 17, 2008 14:16:38 GMT -5
Hey - I discovered the perfect compromise between the FX unit in the loop, AND a Marshall Power Brake. I set the Power Brake down half-way. Then I can keep the Nanoverb 3/4 of the way up output level wise. Sounds better to me, and the amp is still very low overall.
Cranking the amp to 12:00 and using an attenuator sounds good, but is still way loud. The FX loop trick really works better for getting really low volume and good gain tone.
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Post by mitch on Feb 18, 2008 13:24:05 GMT -5
I've actually been using a Quadraverb thru my effects loop for about 1 1/2yrs. now. It works just fine. Not quite the same tone as w/o it, but by having a EQ in the quad, I am able to compensate for some of the tonal loss.
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Post by edgebsl on Feb 19, 2008 8:23:24 GMT -5
You know, I'm glad someone else mentioned this, I'm sure it helps to get a decent sound at lower volumes...but like pointed out earlier....the effects loop is before the power amp.
You are not driving the tubes harder. You are not getting power tube saturation and compression.
But apparently it is solving some of the issues of the amp sounding thin at low volumes.
I find this problem is the worst with the loop engaged.
Fortunately my band is loud, so I have to turn up to 10 o clock just to keep up.
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Post by VomHalen on Feb 19, 2008 9:41:57 GMT -5
can someone exlain to me how you're not driving the tubes harder when the volume is at noon and you're controlling the overall volume via the loop?
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Post by AndyK on Feb 19, 2008 11:09:23 GMT -5
can someone exlain to me how you're not driving the tubes harder when the volume is at noon and you're controlling the overall volume via the loop? I think it has something to do with the signal getting to the tubes being very low - similar to lowering your guitar volume to near zero. I tried the loop trick with my stock 1987x Plexi, and it sounded very weak compared to using the Power Brake, and leaving the signal hitting the amp full up. Not sure WHY this is though. I think the more preamp gain an amp has, the better it will sound even with a low signal going to the power tubes. |
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Post by edgebsl on Feb 19, 2008 19:00:26 GMT -5
can someone exlain to me how you're not driving the tubes harder when the volume is at noon and you're controlling the overall volume via the loop? You may be driving one of the preamp tubes harder, but the power tubes are not being driven any harder than they were as if you were not using the vol pedal and set the master to produce the same amound of spl. I'm not saying it doesnt sound good! Just making sure everyone knows what it is doing, because it seems like some still think its working like a normal power soak. In order to drive the power tubes harder you have to ...well have them produce more power...and clip. |
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Post by johnnyeggz on Feb 19, 2008 20:25:40 GMT -5
+1 for the volume pedal in the loop..at rehearsals i couldnt put the pro stock at 9:00 but now i put it at 11:00 and take it down with the vp....much better tone than playing with the mv at 2..i did havta up the treble and presence a bit tho
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Post by jchan on Feb 21, 2008 12:11:06 GMT -5
Is it best to have the fx loop level set for +4db or -10db or doesn't matter if no other effects are in the loop (assume EB Volume pedal).
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Post by scottymojo67 on Jun 2, 2008 16:57:14 GMT -5
Hey guys new to the board. I just bought an older QR just like shredder75s on his youtube video. I ran an old boss super effects processor with a simple reverb setting and the input volume cut all the way off through the effects loop and it makes my QR sound great at beadroom volume. I have the amp turned up to about 3 which you all know is unbelievably loud without this cut. The great thing is that it also makes the clean sound unbelievably good. I don't know how it does it but it sounds awesome. It almost sounds like a fender clean. From what I've read it shouldn't hurt anything.
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Post by WERNER1 on Jun 11, 2008 16:41:54 GMT -5
Edgebsl is correct as is anyone else who was stating that by running a volume pedal or any other gadget that has a variable output in the effects loop is not really effecting or driving the power tubes harder.. only the preamp section. Now I'm not discounting that the volume pedal / effect loop trick doesn't work, as I'm sure it does,..but just don't thing that you are in some what attenuating the amp in that you're driving the power tubes into saturation/overdrive. An attenuator goes between the speaker cab and the speaker output(s) of the amp ... .and actually has a "load" in it of one sort or another to sort of absorb the power coming from the output of the amp and "attenuate" it down to a lower level ... Some folks say that this has ill effects on the tone of the amp,...and in most cases it does. I personally use a Weber Standard Mass 100W attenuator with all of my 100W tube amps,... and I like the added control and drive I can get. YMMV Back to the Volume Pedal thing... Keep in mind that as you turn up your pots (any of them) the tone of the amp actually changes too. If any of you are familiar with a tone stack calculator, you can see how the position of the volume, or master volume pot actually changes the "sweep" of the tone chart ... the tone stack doesn't stay the same through out the sweep of any of the volume pots,...so this may be the attributing factor the "good" sound you get with the volume pedal in the loop, as you have your volume pot(s) turned up more than you normally would thus changing the tone stack to some degree... Just my thoughts on it  Rick |
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Post by shreder75 on Jun 25, 2008 10:29:57 GMT -5
so will any of those omnisonic boxes work? They're labled for all different types of amps but I'd imagine it's all the same on the inside
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