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Post by shreder75 on Jan 17, 2006 19:09:08 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying VomHalen! Do we need to consult a lawyer already on your first day of endorsement? ;D it's right after section 1 paragraph 7 which states: 'all 'brown' M&M's will be removed from shreder's catered meals and displayed in a cool dry place.' we wouldn't wanna have to send a roadie out to a candy store late at night..who knows, he might have to beat someone to death with their own shoe  |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 17, 2006 19:09:43 GMT -5
sheesh, talk about not reading what you sign...scott's got the splawn legal team deciding on the appropriate level of action... I just talked to scott and he's tranferring endosement over to me, sorry shredder, you should have said you will be there =) <----- ;D why's everybody gotta pick on me =( ~charlie brown.....charrrrlie brown~ |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 17, 2006 19:15:34 GMT -5
The only problems I have with these things are that the bars are raking in the dough. Most of my gigs are contracted, set priced, I rarely have to worry about this stuff anymore.. ...but theres nothing worse than when 30 of your friends have a combined bar tab of $2500.00 and some bar owner is trying to pay you $500.00 for a nights worth of hard work (3-4 sets). Especially when theres between 30-50 other people in there too... I'm talking clubs not big venues. But its very frustrating. You need to get paid too. I notice the younger gen coming in with their buddies in groups of 4-5 bands and doing shows for the door. Your setting a standard that in 10 years when you want to make some money,, you won't get it. Its a recipe for disaster. Of course HOB or any show opening for a National is an exception and you should take those opportunities to get your original material out there.. you're totally right dude..the markup on booze alone is astronomical...you bring a bunch of people, they drink teh schit outta the place and you still get paid squat (usually) especially if you're a starting band... some of them act like they're doing you a favor..hey, we're the ones puttin' the time in..we're the ones buyin' the gear, luggin' the gear, settin' up, breakin' down..gettin' home at 4 am....for what? $100 on average? and here they are, chargin' $4.50 a beer (when you can get a sixer of the same stuff for a buck more) makin' money hand over fist off of your friends and people you bring in... one place wouldn't book us cause we're 'too heavy'..bullshine I say...we ROCK, but we're not 'too heavy'..and this is after goin' there every friday after practice for the better part of a year...when I say we've spent thoussands there, I ain't kiddin...I told the rest o fthe band I'm no longer goin' in that joint...he doesn't get one red cent from me..nor am I actively pursuing a gig there anymore..u don't want us? fine...we'll pack the place down teh street..you urchin..lol |
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Post by Hacksaw on Jan 17, 2006 20:57:14 GMT -5
The only problems I have with these things are that the bars are raking in the dough. Most of my gigs are contracted, set priced, I rarely have to worry about this stuff anymore.. ...but theres nothing worse than when 30 of your friends have a combined bar tab of $2500.00 and some bar owner is trying to pay you $500.00 for a nights worth of hard work (3-4 sets). Especially when theres between 30-50 other people in there too... I'm talking clubs not big venues. But its very frustrating. You need to get paid too. I notice the younger gen coming in with their buddies in groups of 4-5 bands and doing shows for the door. Your setting a standard that in 10 years when you want to make some money,, you won't get it. Its a recipe for disaster. Of course HOB or any show opening for a National is an exception and you should take those opportunities to get your original material out there.. This is the most important post in this thread, contract before you play. get it in writing! spell a few things out. I don't know how the AFM union is anymore but they can help you with contracts and more.. but get with someone who understands! get it in writing. you know here you stand at the end of the gig. I always appreciated being handed individual checks at the end of the night. contract specific term. (another form of legal binding document) www.music-law.com/playlive.htmland if you want to really know what going on in the industry, as the band is a business www.donpassman.com/ right on Craig, playing for door $$, or even less to get in the door makes it tough for everyone, even the good players end up reducing prices to play. its already that way here, it doesnt pay unless you get a gig from a corporate event. Then it pays very well. LOL just thinking of all the hats you wear when in a band! add psychologist |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 17, 2006 21:53:44 GMT -5
shred, i just got an email from scott, he said that you need to read the fine print in your endorsing contract... section 2 paragraph 4 states "endorsee needs to support other splawn players by making public appearances at the above mentioned splawn players' shows...or else contract is null and void" it's all there in black and white uh huh, I didn't see him beatin' a path to any of MY gigs! lol (and it's cool, Don, just bustin' vom's chops..hehe) don's not under contract with splawn |
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Post by Hacksaw on Jan 17, 2006 22:58:35 GMT -5
The only problems I have with these things are that the bars are raking in the dough. Most of my gigs are contracted, set priced, I rarely have to worry about this stuff anymore.. ...but theres nothing worse than when 30 of your friends have a combined bar tab of $2500.00 and some bar owner is trying to pay you $500.00 for a nights worth of hard work (3-4 sets). Especially when theres between 30-50 other people in there too... I'm talking clubs not big venues. But its very frustrating. You need to get paid too. I notice the younger gen coming in with their buddies in groups of 4-5 bands and doing shows for the door. Your setting a standard that in 10 years when you want to make some money,, you won't get it. Its a recipe for disaster. Of course HOB or any show opening for a National is an exception and you should take those opportunities to get your original material out there.. one place wouldn't book us cause we're 'too heavy'..bullshine I say...we ROCK, but we're not 'too heavy'..and this is after goin' there every friday after practice for the better part of a year...when I say we've spent thoussands there, I ain't kiddin...I told the rest o fthe band I'm no longer goin' in that joint...he doesn't get one red cent from me..nor am I actively pursuing a gig there anymore..u don't want us? fine...we'll pack the place down teh street..you urchin..lol Did you do the demo presentation? just curious... cause after looking at your song list I cant imagine that being to heavy either. |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 17, 2006 23:34:40 GMT -5
one place wouldn't book us cause we're 'too heavy'..bullshine I say...we ROCK, but we're not 'too heavy'..and this is after goin' there every friday after practice for the better part of a year...when I say we've spent thoussands there, I ain't kiddin...I told the rest o fthe band I'm no longer goin' in that joint...he doesn't get one red cent from me..nor am I actively pursuing a gig there anymore..u don't want us? fine...we'll pack the place down teh street..you urchin..lol Did you do the demo presentation? just curious... cause after looking at your song list I cant imagine that being to heavy either. yep..our demo had play that funky music, slither, american idiot and mrs. robinson..what REALLY sent me over the edge was one time we went in there (after the denial of course) and there was this band playin'..they were ok (guy was usin' a flextone or something..not that that has anything to do with this..lol) and they just all of a sudden busted into a friggin' Godsmack song...keep away or something...I went BALLISTIC..I walked right the hell outta the place..before that the owner asked my singer what he thought of the band (this is before I went out in a huff) and the singer's like 'they're not bad..but they play the same phuckin' kinda stuff we do'...lol.. it's not that we're 'heavy'..we just like to inject a pulse even into slower songs....there's nothing worse to me than a band that plays an anemic set...get people movin', ya know?? if you're standin' still up there because the song really has no energy to it, then to me, it's either a song that is in need of a 'ball-ification' or it's just a song you shouldn't be playing..lol..at least in the world of covers =) |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 17, 2006 23:35:24 GMT -5
uh huh, I didn't see him beatin' a path to any of MY gigs! lol (and it's cool, Don, just bustin' vom's chops..hehe) don's not under contract with splawn now is this gonna be the new thing to bust my chops about? =D or do I get this AND the chicken knob insults?..lol |
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Post by Hacksaw on Jan 18, 2006 0:14:01 GMT -5
Did you do the demo presentation? just curious... cause after looking at your song list I cant imagine that being to heavy either. yep..our demo had play that funky music, slither, american idiot and mrs. robinson..what REALLY sent me over the edge was one time we went in there (after the denial of course) and there was this band playin'..they were ok (guy was usin' a flextone or something..not that that has anything to do with this..lol) and they just all of a sudden busted into a friggin' Godsmack song...keep away or something...I went BALLISTIC..I walked right the hell outta the place..before that the owner asked my singer what he thought of the band (this is before I went out in a huff) and the singer's like 'they're not bad..but they play the same phuckin' kinda stuff we do'...lol.. it's not that we're 'heavy'..we just like to inject a pulse even into slower songs....there's nothing worse to me than a band that plays an anemic set...get people movin', ya know?? if you're standin' still up there because the song really has no energy to it, then to me, it's either a song that is in need of a 'ball-ification' or it's just a song you shouldn't be playing..lol..at least in the world of covers =) Wow. .that sux., and thats one of those things that amazed me about bookin jobs, you know the club has rock bands, you schedule and do the dog and pony, and they say something like that. the best thing we ever did was hire a promoter/manager. he went in with his contacts and got us very decent contracts for play and more money, even after paying his fee. yes it cost us 15%, but not having to deal with it and just play was worth it. its also worth the $125 or whatever it is where you are at to have a lawyer that know this stuff to look it over. in a previous message in this post is a book that is very informative on this stuff.. get it. its worth the read if you would like to take care of that kind of stuff yourself. |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 18, 2006 9:56:11 GMT -5
yep..our demo had play that funky music, slither, american idiot and mrs. robinson..what REALLY sent me over the edge was one time we went in there (after the denial of course) and there was this band playin'..they were ok (guy was usin' a flextone or something..not that that has anything to do with this..lol) and they just all of a sudden busted into a friggin' Godsmack song...keep away or something...I went BALLISTIC..I walked right the hell outta the place..before that the owner asked my singer what he thought of the band (this is before I went out in a huff) and the singer's like 'they're not bad..but they play the same phuckin' kinda stuff we do'...lol.. it's not that we're 'heavy'..we just like to inject a pulse even into slower songs....there's nothing worse to me than a band that plays an anemic set...get people movin', ya know?? if you're standin' still up there because the song really has no energy to it, then to me, it's either a song that is in need of a 'ball-ification' or it's just a song you shouldn't be playing..lol..at least in the world of covers =) Wow. .that sux., and thats one of those things that amazed me about bookin jobs, you know the club has rock bands, you schedule and do the dog and pony, and they say something like that. the best thing we ever did was hire a promoter/manager. he went in with his contacts and got us very decent contracts for play and more money, even after paying his fee. yes it cost us 15%, but not having to deal with it and just play was worth it. its also worth the $125 or whatever it is where you are at to have a lawyer that know this stuff to look it over. in a previous message in this post is a book that is very informative on this stuff.. get it. its worth the read if you would like to take care of that kind of stuff yourself. the other guitar player in my band is putting together a press packet to submit to STARS...so we'll see....I don't mind payin' them money if a) we make more and b) we get more gigs out of it |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 18, 2006 10:13:47 GMT -5
first thing a booking agent is going to ask you is how your draw is...
they may get ya in the door to many different clubs and get ya more money, but if you're not drawing you're not coming back...no matter how good your band is...
first thing to concentrate on is making sure the bar makes money the night you play...if it does, you're coming back...economics 101...
and if the bar does make money, you don't necessarily have to raise your price right away...unless you're consistantly packing that place...and i mean packing...
it's good to show that you're playing some of the better rooms in your area on a consistant basis before you start raising your prices for gigs
and if you start raising your prices it has to be at every place you play...if a bar finds out that they're paying you $600 while you're playing down the street for $400...then they're not going to be too happy ;D
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Jan 18, 2006 10:16:19 GMT -5
We've got a pretty nice promo pack and some corporate sponsorship with Guitar Center and some other local businesses, we had a Budweiser artist deal and lost it.. too funny. We would drink like 2 cases of Bud on stage sell the crap out of their products and they dumped us because of our website. The old site had some naked porn girls but they were partially covered,, and the stuff on our message board is way over the top.. So they dumped us... too funny. So I had to pass-protect the board so as not to scare off any more potential sponsors,, LMAO..
We also use an agent for big gigs, anything opening for Nationals and the upcoming bike week in Daytona which is next to impossible to get into unless you know someone.
We used to get that whole "your too heavy" thing too, until they gave us a Tuesday or Thursday and we broke the bar sales records. Then their begging us to do Fri/Sat and commit to a years worth of rotation. That was our first year,, this is now our 3rd year and we have to turn down gigs these days. We only play 4-8 shows per month now, but in 2004 we did 47 weekends. 2 of us want to play all the time and 2 of us want to play only 2-3 weekends a month so its a compromise.
Its hard getting those gigs when like DonDemon said you can only get 20 of your friends to commit to making it out or buy tickets. We have about 150 (regulars) people that come to all of our shows, so if even a 3rd of those people make it 2 nights, thats a good turn out for us.
Having a good website and interactive mailing list and message board helps alot too. Look at my site, theres 20,000 posts on it and over 300 members. Very good for keeping your people interested in whats happening with he band and upcoming gigs. Just my 2 cents..
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 18, 2006 10:21:07 GMT -5
We've got a pretty nice promo pack and some corporate sponsorship with Guitar Center and some other local businesses, we had a Budweiser artist deal and lost it.. too funny. We would drink like 2 cases of Bud on stage sell the crap out of their products and they dumped us because of our website. The old site had some naked porn girls but they were partially covered,, and the stuff on our message board is way over the top.. So they dumped us... too funny. So I had to pass-protect the board so as not to scare off any more potential sponsors,, LMAO.. We also use an agent for big gigs, anything opening for Nationals and the upcoming bike week in Daytona which is next to impossible to get into unless you know someone. We used to get that whole "your too heavy" thing too, until they gave us a Tuesday or Thursday and we broke the bar sales records. Then their begging us to do Fri/Sat and commit to a years worth of rotation. That was our first year,, this is now our 3rd year and we have to turn down gigs these days. We only play 4-8 shows per month now, but in 2004 we did 47 weekends. 2 of us want to play all the time and 2 of us want to play only 2-3 weekends a month so its a compromise. Its hard getting those gigs when like DonDemon said you can only get 20 of your friends to commit to making it out or buy tickets. We have about 150 (regulars) people that come to all of our shows, so if even a 3rd of those people make it 2 nights, thats a good turn out for us. Having a good website and interactive mailing list and message board helps alot too. Look at my site, theres 20,000 posts on it and over 300 members. Very good for keeping your people interested in whats happening with he band and upcoming gigs. Just my 2 cents.. vom was right when he talked about draw...and you make alotta good points too.. case in point, we almost had an audition at Bar A down the jersey shore...REAL big deal...all the big area cover bands play there, even some nationals (the Nerds being one)... anywho, the audition was on a Wednesday..no pay of course..just to see how many people you bring in..on a wednesday it's friggin' tough to get people to drive all the way hell down teh shore...so until we get a bigger following, we've decided to postpone it...don't wanna go there and screw the pooch cause you will NOT be asked back..I have no doubt that we'd kill the gig, but that doesn't matter if nobody's there to see it... |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 18, 2006 10:22:43 GMT -5
We've got a pretty nice promo pack and some corporate sponsorship with Guitar Center and some other local businesses, we had a Budweiser artist deal and lost it.. too funny. We would drink like 2 cases of Bud on stage sell the crap out of their products and they dumped us because of our website. The old site had some naked porn girls but they were partially covered,, and the stuff on our message board is way over the top.. So they dumped us... too funny. So I had to pass-protect the board so as not to scare off any more potential sponsors,, LMAO.. We also use an agent for big gigs, anything opening for Nationals and the upcoming bike week in Daytona which is next to impossible to get into unless you know someone. We used to get that whole "your too heavy" thing too, until they gave us a Tuesday or Thursday and we broke the bar sales records. Then their begging us to do Fri/Sat and commit to a years worth of rotation. That was our first year,, this is now our 3rd year and we have to turn down gigs these days. We only play 4-8 shows per month now, but in 2004 we did 47 weekends. 2 of us want to play all the time and 2 of us want to play only 2-3 weekends a month so its a compromise. Its hard getting those gigs when like DonDemon said you can only get 20 of your friends to commit to making it out or buy tickets. We have about 150 (regulars) people that come to all of our shows, so if even a 3rd of those people make it 2 nights, thats a good turn out for us. Having a good website and interactive mailing list and message board helps alot too. Look at my site, theres 20,000 posts on it and over 300 members. Very good for keeping your people interested in whats happening with he band and upcoming gigs. Just my 2 cents.. vom was right when he talked about draw...and you make alotta good points too.. case in point, we almost had an audition at Bar A down the jersey shore...REAL big deal...all the big area cover bands play there, even some nationals (the Nerds being one)... anywho, the audition was on a Wednesday..no pay of course..just to see how many people you bring in..on a wednesday it's friggin' tough to get people to drive all the way hell down teh shore...so until we get a bigger following, we've decided to postpone it...don't wanna go there and screw the pooch cause you will NOT be asked back..I have no doubt that we'd kill the gig, but that doesn't matter if nobody's there to see it... i'm supposed to be playing with the nerds on friday...i had to turn it down.... |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 18, 2006 10:28:20 GMT -5
We've got a pretty nice promo pack and some corporate sponsorship with Guitar Center and some other local businesses, we had a Budweiser artist deal and lost it.. too funny. We would drink like 2 cases of Bud on stage sell the crap out of their products and they dumped us because of our website. The old site had some naked porn girls but they were partially covered,, and the stuff on our message board is way over the top.. So they dumped us... too funny. So I had to pass-protect the board so as not to scare off any more potential sponsors,, LMAO.. We also use an agent for big gigs, anything opening for Nationals and the upcoming bike week in Daytona which is next to impossible to get into unless you know someone. We used to get that whole "your too heavy" thing too, until they gave us a Tuesday or Thursday and we broke the bar sales records. Then their begging us to do Fri/Sat and commit to a years worth of rotation. That was our first year,, this is now our 3rd year and we have to turn down gigs these days. We only play 4-8 shows per month now, but in 2004 we did 47 weekends. 2 of us want to play all the time and 2 of us want to play only 2-3 weekends a month so its a compromise. Its hard getting those gigs when like DonDemon said you can only get 20 of your friends to commit to making it out or buy tickets. We have about 150 (regulars) people that come to all of our shows, so if even a 3rd of those people make it 2 nights, thats a good turn out for us. Having a good website and interactive mailing list and message board helps alot too. Look at my site, theres 20,000 posts on it and over 300 members. Very good for keeping your people interested in whats happening with he band and upcoming gigs. Just my 2 cents.. vom was right when he talked about draw...and you make alotta good points too.. case in point, we almost had an audition at Bar A down the jersey shore...REAL big deal...all the big area cover bands play there, even some nationals (the Nerds being one)... anywho, the audition was on a Wednesday..no pay of course..just to see how many people you bring in..on a wednesday it's friggin' tough to get people to drive all the way hell down teh shore...so until we get a bigger following, we've decided to postpone it...don't wanna go there and screw the pooch cause you will NOT be asked back..I have no doubt that we'd kill the gig, but that doesn't matter if nobody's there to see it... good job dude...i was reading an interview once with jon bon jovi...they asked him why it took so long for them to headline arenas...he told them that you only get one shot to headline so you better make sure your fan base is there...i used the same strategy when i got us into toad's place in new haven...we picked our spot/worked real hard on promotion/ and did well... you have to pick your spot |
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