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Post by jimbax on Jan 17, 2006 16:19:04 GMT -5
didn't play it...sold on ebay for about $700....had gold hardware...simi hollow, cool guitar...I'll have to ask my brother which HOB's were the most profitable...he was there in mid/late 90's... I think they made a smart move by expanding their genres and incorporating more than blues and blues-rock because that stuff just doesn't sell as well now. You get gotta keep up or get left behind. This place was just built in either 2003 or 2004, plus the Tri-state area has no problem selling out shows. "HOUSE OF DEATH METAL".....maybe keep the name yet change the repertoire... |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 17, 2006 16:19:51 GMT -5
sheesh, talk about not reading what you sign...scott's got the splawn legal team deciding on the appropriate level of action... I just talked to scott and he's tranferring endosement over to me, sorry shredder, you should have said you will be there =) <----- ;D man, those lawyers work quick...plus, you ARE playing the HOB...more exposure...sorry shred...but look at the bright side, now you can go to practice... |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Jan 17, 2006 16:37:13 GMT -5
Man Don, hate to hear stories like this. The question that begs to be asked though is, your selling your own tickets? So your not getting paid?
So let me get this straight,, HOB up there doesn't pay bands AND wants them to sell tickets?
I hope this isn't true. Sounds like the LA scene back in '89.
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Post by jimbax on Jan 17, 2006 16:48:05 GMT -5
Man Don, hate to hear stories like this. The question that begs to be asked though is, your selling your own tickets? So your not getting paid? So let me get this straight,, HOB up there doesn't pay bands AND wants them to sell tickets? I hope this isn't true. Sounds like the LA scene back in '89. yep, the whole 'pay ta play' period....I avoided that, but I still didn't get paid...we just got lied to... When I played LA it was typical: you get a flat amount (whatever $200 or?) and then you get 10% of the amount of each ticket with your band name on the back of it....the problem is...we would bring in over a hundred 2 hundred people and at end of night they would say: oh, lets see, you guys brought in 17 people...a bunch o' dishonest liars...we'll send you a check for your reg pay (which never came etc...) |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Jan 17, 2006 16:53:23 GMT -5
Man Don, hate to hear stories like this. The question that begs to be asked though is, your selling your own tickets? So your not getting paid? So let me get this straight,, HOB up there doesn't pay bands AND wants them to sell tickets? I hope this isn't true. Sounds like the LA scene back in '89. From what I understand it works like most original shows around here. We sell the tickets as well as the venue and we get a portion of what we bring to the door. Tickets are $10 a head so we will probably get like $2-$4 of that, somethingf along those lines. I was actually surprised we were getting paid at all. Most larger places like that know that you just want the exposure and will play for free so they take advantage. I was at a party on Saturday night and the booking agent for the HOB was actually there and that's when I found out we will get a piece of our own ticket sales. I am almost sure we don't get anything from tickets we don't sell personally. Its probably the only reason he was able to set up a show like this with no big name headliner. Its crappy but thats the way it goes. |
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Post by jimbax on Jan 17, 2006 16:56:52 GMT -5
Man Don, hate to hear stories like this. The question that begs to be asked though is, your selling your own tickets? So your not getting paid? So let me get this straight,, HOB up there doesn't pay bands AND wants them to sell tickets? I hope this isn't true. Sounds like the LA scene back in '89. My nephew's (whom I taught to play...hehe) band got ROASTED on that scheme...he would tell me: hey, we're playin the Troubador (or Whiskey or...) and we're paying up front for X amount of tix etc...when we're done we are gonna get X amount...heheheh...dumb kid! NO MONEY...NOTHING...ROASTED! they would pay a few hundred to play...it really ticked me off at how 'shrewd' these clubs got...you could SUCK major time and BUY your way to a Saturday night headline in Hollywood...it didn't mean anything cause it soon fell apart... |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 17, 2006 16:58:29 GMT -5
Man Don, hate to hear stories like this. The question that begs to be asked though is, your selling your own tickets? So your not getting paid? So let me get this straight,, HOB up there doesn't pay bands AND wants them to sell tickets? I hope this isn't true. Sounds like the LA scene back in '89. From what I understand it works like most original shows around here. We sell the tickets as well as the venue and we get a portion of what we bring to the door. Tickets are $10 a head so we will probably get like $2-$4 of that, somethingf along those lines. I was actually surprised we were getting paid at all. Most larger places like that know that you just want the exposure and will play for free so they take advantage. I was at a party on Saturday night and the booking agent for the HOB was actually there and that's when I found out we will get a piece of our own ticket sales. I am almost sure we don't get anything from tickets we don't sell personally. Its probably the only reason he was able to set up a show like this with no big name headliner. Its crappy but thats the way it goes. this kinda how we got our start at toad's place in new haven...we were on a local bands showcase...outdrew every other band on that bill including the headliner and were offered some real shows then...the pay still isn't that great, but we really don't do it for that...we have other good paying gigs...we do it to play infront of alot of people... |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Jan 17, 2006 17:06:28 GMT -5
From what I understand it works like most original shows around here. We sell the tickets as well as the venue and we get a portion of what we bring to the door. Tickets are $10 a head so we will probably get like $2-$4 of that, somethingf along those lines. I was actually surprised we were getting paid at all. Most larger places like that know that you just want the exposure and will play for free so they take advantage. I was at a party on Saturday night and the booking agent for the HOB was actually there and that's when I found out we will get a piece of our own ticket sales. I am almost sure we don't get anything from tickets we don't sell personally. Its probably the only reason he was able to set up a show like this with no big name headliner. Its crappy but thats the way it goes. this kinda how we got our start at toad's place in new haven...we were on a local bands showcase...outdrew every other band on that bill including the headliner and were offered some real shows then...the pay still isn't that great, but we really don't do it for that...we have other good paying gigs...we do it to play infront of alot of people... Yeah that's all that matters, who you bring in. We were told that those who sold all 150 tickets consistently will be considered for opening for national acts. Well, that's certainly not going to happen. At least not for us. We've played the same crap clubs to the same group of friends for a while and we just don't have that level of fanbase. In fact, I don't think most of those bands will. When I was talking to the booking agent at that party he told me 50 would be enough, so hopefully we got a little in, hehe. |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 17, 2006 17:10:57 GMT -5
this kinda how we got our start at toad's place in new haven...we were on a local bands showcase...outdrew every other band on that bill including the headliner and were offered some real shows then...the pay still isn't that great, but we really don't do it for that...we have other good paying gigs...we do it to play infront of alot of people... Yeah that's all that matters, who you bring in. We were told that those who sold all 150 tickets consistently will be considered for opening for national acts. Well, that's certainly not going to happen. At least not for us. We've played the same crap clubs to the same group of friends for a while and we just don't have that level of fanbase. In fact, I don't think most of those bands will. When I was talking to the booking agent at that party he told me 50 would be enough, so hopefully we got a little in, hehe. yeah man...it's HARD...trust me i know...it's HARD...hope it works out for ya |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Jan 17, 2006 17:19:19 GMT -5
Yeah that's all that matters, who you bring in. We were told that those who sold all 150 tickets consistently will be considered for opening for national acts. Well, that's certainly not going to happen. At least not for us. We've played the same crap clubs to the same group of friends for a while and we just don't have that level of fanbase. In fact, I don't think most of those bands will. When I was talking to the booking agent at that party he told me 50 would be enough, so hopefully we got a little in, hehe. yeah man...it's HARD...trust me i know...it's HARD...hope it works out for ya Thanks Vom. The way I look at it, either way it goes I will have played a respectable place and will have some d*mn fun while doing it! I don't expect anything out of nothing.I just try to forget all this jumbo when it comes time to walk out on stage. |
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Post by jimbax on Jan 17, 2006 17:29:52 GMT -5
Man Don, hate to hear stories like this. The question that begs to be asked though is, your selling your own tickets? So your not getting paid? So let me get this straight,, HOB up there doesn't pay bands AND wants them to sell tickets? I hope this isn't true. Sounds like the LA scene back in '89. From what I understand it works like most original shows around here. We sell the tickets as well as the venue and we get a portion of what we bring to the door. Tickets are $10 a head so we will probably get like $2-$4 of that, somethingf along those lines. I was actually surprised we were getting paid at all. Most larger places like that know that you just want the exposure and will play for free so they take advantage. I was at a party on Saturday night and the booking agent for the HOB was actually there and that's when I found out we will get a piece of our own ticket sales. I am almost sure we don't get anything from tickets we don't sell personally. Its probably the only reason he was able to set up a show like this with no big name headliner. Its crappy but thats the way it goes. unless you gots a name and pro rep...they will treat you like a 'pebble in their shoe'....this issue is a big can o worms for me... Don, go out and have fun...Vom is right, if you guys are any good and can bring a few people...they will keep you on their list and give a call when a headliner needs back bands...go out there to 'outshine' the others... |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Jan 17, 2006 17:39:49 GMT -5
The only problems I have with these things are that the bars are raking in the dough. Most of my gigs are contracted, set priced, I rarely have to worry about this stuff anymore..
...but theres nothing worse than when 30 of your friends have a combined bar tab of $2500.00 and some bar owner is trying to pay you $500.00 for a nights worth of hard work (3-4 sets). Especially when theres between 30-50 other people in there too... I'm talking clubs not big venues. But its very frustrating. You need to get paid too. I notice the younger gen coming in with their buddies in groups of 4-5 bands and doing shows for the door. Your setting a standard that in 10 years when you want to make some money,, you won't get it. Its a recipe for disaster.
Of course HOB or any show opening for a National is an exception and you should take those opportunities to get your original material out there..
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 17, 2006 19:03:15 GMT -5
You can do it! Seriously who practices on a Friday night? Friday & Saturday nights=fun and gig time. Sunday & weeknights= practice time. get it right bro:) When else will ypu get to see a Splawn tear it up on a big stage with a 25,000 watt sound system?? and you call yourself an endorsee...  well, if you wanna get technical, I did see that at my last gig...lmao... but seriously.. have to go see the reverend horton heat after practice...HAH! Just kidding =D we got a gig the following week so no way we can skip out on that practice..bad timing bro =( |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 17, 2006 19:06:55 GMT -5
yep...my brother was CFO (that's chief financial officer to you shreder...) for the whole HOB corp...went to meetings with Akroyd there the whole shpeal...he gave me a Gibson HOB (house of blues) special Gibson Nighthawk blues guitar (promotional) that was left over after a bunch o give aways...he said the company would be out of business if it weren't for the amount of money they make on alcohol on 'Mexican' nights etc......the 'ooompa' bands bring in the drunken latinos and they buy lots o beer...AAAAHHH...HHHAAAA!!!! ARIBA! ARIBA! I know what it means, ya hairy azz....lol |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 17, 2006 19:08:04 GMT -5
shred, i just got an email from scott, he said that you need to read the fine print in your endorsing contract... section 2 paragraph 4 states "endorsee needs to support other splawn players by making public appearances at the above mentioned splawn players' shows...or else contract is null and void" it's all there in black and white uh huh, I didn't see him beatin' a path to any of MY gigs! lol (and it's cool, Don, just bustin' vom's chops..hehe) |
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