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Post by jimbax on Jan 13, 2006 15:56:46 GMT -5
kurt Cobain...stevie ray...smashing pumpkins...they all STOMPED big hair....dunk, dunk, dunk...silly 'dolly parton' hairdoo with all that 'glam' crud.... cobain...sucked... pumpkins...where are they? stevie...really had nothing to do in stomping 80s metal... trust me...stevie was 'anti metal'...not publically, but he was. |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Jan 13, 2006 15:57:54 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain: Yuk yuk yuk!! Created the downfall of guitar playing. Smashing pumpkins: First album was decent. Guitar playing is horrible but catchy tunes. Stevie Ray Vaughn: What are you talking about? He was rocking during the hair days. Kurt Cobain was 'sincere' that's why he spoke with more weight and depth than any cheesy 'pre-fab' big hair band trying to 'replicate' a trendy tune...not just the 'grunge' guys but anyone that plays from their heart and pours their soul into their music...this is what 'moves' me... a bunch of jack@ss jokers with dolly parton hairdoos singin some cheese tune about 'cherry pie' with comic book antics...I hated that and still can't stand all that crap... man..I really like you. How can we differ so much on everything else? |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 13, 2006 15:59:08 GMT -5
soul is a "perception"... tell me the solo to "every rose has it's thorn" has no soul oh my God..you're a Deville fan..... oh my God oh my God OH my God oh MY God oh my GOD if you mean that cc played a great solo and wrote great tunes...then yes, i'm a fan...proud of it.... |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 13, 2006 16:01:30 GMT -5
OK, I think alot of you are missing the point here. We are not just talking about the ability to play guitar though we are all biased because we are guitarists and you you know what critics we can be  . I think what we're getting at here is that the 80's was a period of extreme excess. Hair, clothes, make-up, colors, and yes..music. More is better was the attitude then and it showed in the music. This blind excess lead to music that was ..well..cheesy! There was just too much cheese oozing out of the 80's bands and even the older guys who were around before that fell victim (Neil Young, Bob Dylan, etc). Yes, the musicianship was there and we as guitarists appreciate that, but set that aside and it just comes down to silly, chessy music. Grunge and alternative was a return to artful songwriting with substance other than chicks and partying. You guys who grew up with that will of course defend it and this is just mine (and jimbax's) perspective, as well us representing those who oppose that type of stuff. Outside of your circle of friends and age group, there are not really any people who like that stuff and find it silly and childish. I'm sorry to say guys but that period of music will not hold up over time. Younger generations (in general) do not like any of that stuff other than as a funny novelty. Yet I know kids (15-18 yr old) that love Hendrix, Floyd, Zep, Cream, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc. and for that I say Amen! end of rant..flame away:) can someone please explain to me what "cheese" means...it's used constantly with "cheesy 80s tunes"...but what the hell does that mean...some explain that to me... the same can be said about grunge bands in their dr. martens just standing there singing about how they hate their parents |
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Post by TJ on Jan 13, 2006 16:02:23 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain: Yuk yuk yuk!! Created the downfall of guitar playing. Smashing pumpkins: First album was decent. Guitar playing is horrible but catchy tunes. Stevie Ray Vaughn: What are you talking about? He was rocking during the hair days. Kurt Cobain was 'sincere' that's why he spoke with more weight and depth than any cheesy 'pre-fab' big hair band trying to 'replicate' a trendy tune...not just the 'grunge' guys but anyone that plays from their heart and pours their soul into their music...this is what 'moves' me... a bunch of jack@ss jokers with dolly parton hairdoos singin some cheese tune about 'cherry pie' with comic book antics...I hated that and still can't stand all that crap... I'm not saying that some of the 80's bands weren't cheesy. I think someone stated before "what decade didn't have it's share of cheese" But I don't like Cobain or Nirvana one bit. It pains me to listen to that. Donald I think some of that music from that era has stood the test of time. I think people will remember those bands more so than any of the bands that were grunge from the 90's. I'm not downing on your generations music. It's just not for me. What's worse? Guys in Spandex singing about wine and women or guys dressed as lumberjacks singing about how tough life is for them when they're selling millions of records? |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 13, 2006 16:05:13 GMT -5
first off, nobody in a grunge band ever did drugs? ever nailed as many dames in a night as they possibly could? that's naive.... hell, even BEFORE the 80's, bands such as zepplin and VH were doin the same thing..so to say that's an 80's thing is simply untrue.. I will say that yes, there were alotta crap bands in the 80's....but, look at grunge....Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead by the very name of the music, grunge was NOT artful...smells like teen spirit..that's artful?? if anything, it's a return to simplicity....that I'll give you.... listen to Ratt, 80's VH, Dokken, Ozzy....where's this excess that you're talking about? plenty of soulful leads there..plenty of people who knew how to play..yeah, some of it was formulaic....but, grunge wasn't? today's music isn't? you know why kids these days like that older stuff? it's called the radio, dude....we're innundated with zepplin, hendrix, nirvana, pearl jam, etc, etc, on the radio....when was the last time you heard an iron maiden song on the radio? not often..and they're STILL selling out the garden....Dio STILL sells out the garden....I know...I was there when it happened... and what kills me is newer bands...these schit bands that are forced down our throats..people who usually can't play their ways out of wet paper bags and sound like crud live... here's a GREAT example of how the radio twists things to favor the 'band du jour': Evanesence...in my opinion one of the words bands to come out of the last decade...contrived rythm patterns featuring a shrill female vocalist who can't seem to sing more than three different notes and has no noticeable vibrato... 'we're here Live with evanescence at the ____ center... a sold out crowd, it's amazing!' do you know how many people that particular stadium held? 9,000...that's right, 9,000!! BIG FRIGGIN DEAL! and here you have iron maiden, who gets NO airplay on MTV, NO airplay on the radio..and they sell out one of the most venerable arenas in the country....MSG.... how many bands have staying power these days? not many..they're around adn they disappear...end of story... these kids like those forms of music cause it's what's 'hip' these days..and I honestly hate to say it, but kids know d*ck these days...when was the laset time you were in a music store and saw a kid in their teens trying to do much of anything else other than playing some rehashed seether crap tune or a nirvana or metallica song? they have NO influence because all the GOOD influences don't get played on the radio! nirvana...oooo.....I can see them churning out a herd of virtuosos..... anyway, we have a difference of opinion, obviously....80's rock and metal is STILL big....and it's not going anywhere... OK, I think alot of you are missing the point here. We are not just talking about the ability to play guitar though we are all biased because we are guitarists and you you know what critics we can be . I think what we're getting at here is that the 80's was a period of extreme excess. Hair, clothes, make-up, colors, and yes..music. More is better was the attitude then and it showed in the music. This blind excess lead to music that was ..well..cheesy! There was just too much cheese oozing out of the 80's bands and even the older guys who were around before that fell victim (Neil Young, Bob Dylan, etc). Yes, the musicianship was there and we as guitarists appreciate that, but set that aside and it just comes down to silly, chessy music. Grunge and alternative was a return to artful songwriting but substance other than chicks and partying. You guys who grew up with that will of course defend it and this is just mine (and jimbax's) perspective, as well us representing those who oppose that type of stuff. Outside of your circle of friends and age group, there are not really any people who like that stuff and find it silly and childish. I'm sorry to say guys but that period of music will not hold up over time. Younger generations (in general) do not like any of that stuff other than as a funny novelty. Yet I know kids (15-18 yr old) that love Hendrix, Floyd, Zep, Cream, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc. and for that I say Amen! end of rant..flame away:) |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Jan 13, 2006 16:05:17 GMT -5
OK, I think alot of you are missing the point here. We are not just talking about the ability to play guitar though we are all biased because we are guitarists and you you know what critics we can be . I think what we're getting at here is that the 80's was a period of extreme excess. Hair, clothes, make-up, colors, and yes..music. More is better was the attitude then and it showed in the music. This blind excess lead to music that was ..well..cheesy! There was just too much cheese oozing out of the 80's bands and even the older guys who were around before that fell victim (Neil Young, Bob Dylan, etc). Yes, the musicianship was there and we as guitarists appreciate that, but set that aside and it just comes down to silly, chessy music. Grunge and alternative was a return to artful songwriting with substance other than chicks and partying. You guys who grew up with that will of course defend it and this is just mine (and jimbax's) perspective, as well us representing those who oppose that type of stuff. Outside of your circle of friends and age group, there are not really any people who like that stuff and find it silly and childish. I'm sorry to say guys but that period of music will not hold up over time. Younger generations (in general) do not like any of that stuff other than as a funny novelty. Yet I know kids (15-18 yr old) that love Hendrix, Floyd, Zep, Cream, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc. and for that I say Amen! end of rant..flame away:) can someone please explain to me what "cheese" means...it's used constantly with "cheesy 80s tunes"...but what the hell does that mean...some explain that to me... the same can be said about grunge bands in their dr. martens just standing there singing about how they hate their parents CHESSE Definition: see "Warrant," "Winger," "Poison," "Motley Crue" and alost EVERYTHING that came out of the 80's Name a grunge song about hating their parent. I think your confusing Numetal which is putrid as well. |
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Post by jimbax on Jan 13, 2006 16:05:40 GMT -5
OK, I think alot of you are missing the point here. We are not just talking about the ability to play guitar though we are all biased because we are guitarists and you you know what critics we can be . I think what we're getting at here is that the 80's was a period of extreme excess. Hair, clothes, make-up, colors, and yes..music. More is better was the attitude then and it showed in the music. This blind excess lead to music that was ..well..cheesy! There was just too much cheese oozing out of the 80's bands and even the older guys who were around before that fell victim (Neil Young, Bob Dylan, etc). Yes, the musicianship was there and we as guitarists appreciate that, but set that aside and it just comes down to silly, chessy music. Grunge and alternative was a return to artful songwriting with substance other than chicks and partying. You guys who grew up with that will of course defend it and this is just mine (and jimbax's) perspective, as well us representing those who oppose that type of stuff. Outside of your circle of friends and age group, there are not really any people who like that stuff and find it silly and childish. I'm sorry to say guys but that period of music will not hold up over time. Younger generations (in general) do not like any of that stuff other than as a funny novelty. Yet I know kids (15-18 yr old) that love Hendrix, Floyd, Zep, Cream, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc. and for that I say Amen! end of rant..flame away:) can someone please explain to me what "cheese" means...it's used constantly with "cheesy 80s tunes"...but what the hell does that mean...some explain that to me... the same can be said about grunge bands in their dr. martens just standing there singing about how they hate their parents cheese? I'm from Wisconsin now...so everything is about the cheese |
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Post by VomHalen on Jan 13, 2006 16:06:19 GMT -5
oh my God..you're a Deville fan..... oh my God oh my God OH my God oh MY God oh my GOD you can go into any bar in any city at any time and if there's a cover band there you can bet that they're going to play "talk dirty to me"...that deserves respect...from a songwriting standpoint |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Jan 13, 2006 16:06:40 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain was 'sincere' that's why he spoke with more weight and depth than any cheesy 'pre-fab' big hair band trying to 'replicate' a trendy tune...not just the 'grunge' guys but anyone that plays from their heart and pours their soul into their music...this is what 'moves' me... a bunch of jack@ss jokers with dolly parton hairdoos singin some cheese tune about 'cherry pie' with comic book antics...I hated that and still can't stand all that crap... I'm not saying that some of the 80's bands weren't cheesy. I think someone stated before "what decade didn't have it's share of cheese" But I don't like Cobain or Nirvana one bit. It pains me to listen to that. Donald I think some of that music from that era has stood the test of time. I think people will remember those bands more so than any of the bands that were grunge from the 90's. I'm not downing on your generations music. It's just not for me. What's worse? Guys in Spandex singing about wine and women or guys dressed as lumberjacks singing about how tough life is for them when they're selling millions of records? Lumberjacks please ;D |
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Post by jimbax on Jan 13, 2006 16:08:21 GMT -5
first off, nobody in a grunge band ever did drugs? ever nailed as many dames in a night as they possibly could? that's naive.... hell, even BEFORE the 80's, bands such as zepplin and VH were doin the same thing..so to say that's an 80's thing is simply untrue.. I will say that yes, there were alotta crap bands in the 80's....but, look at grunge....Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead by the very name of the music, grunge was NOT artful...smells like teen spirit..that's artful?? if anything, it's a return to simplicity....that I'll give you.... listen to Ratt, 80's VH, Dokken, Ozzy....where's this excess that you're talking about? plenty of soulful leads there..plenty of people who knew how to play..yeah, some of it was formulaic....but, grunge wasn't? today's music isn't? you know why kids these days like that older stuff? it's called the radio, dude....we're innundated with zepplin, hendrix, nirvana, pearl jam, etc, etc, on the radio....when was the last time you heard an iron maiden song on the radio? not often..and they're STILL selling out the garden....Dio STILL sells out the garden....I know...I was there when it happened... and what kills me is newer bands...these schit bands that are forced down our throats..people who usually can't play their ways out of wet paper bags and sound like crud live... here's a GREAT example of how the radio twists things to favor the 'band du jour': Evanesence...in my opinion one of the words bands to come out of the last decade...contrived rythm patterns featuring a shrill female vocalist who can't seem to sing more than three different notes and has no noticeable vibrato... 'we're here Live with evanescence at the ____ center... a sold out crowd, it's amazing!' do you know how many people that particular stadium held? 9,000...that's right, 9,000!! BIG FRIGGIN DEAL! and here you have iron maiden, who gets NO airplay on MTV, NO airplay on the radio..and they sell out one of the most venerable arenas in the country....MSG.... how many bands have staying power these days? not many..they're around adn they disappear...end of story... these kids like those forms of music cause it's what's 'hip' these days..and I honestly hate to say it, but kids know d*ck these days...when was the laset time you were in a music store and saw a kid in their teens trying to do much of anything else other than playing some rehashed seether crap tune or a nirvana or metallica song? they have NO influence because all the GOOD influences don't get played on the radio! nirvana...oooo.....I can see them churning out a herd of virtuosos..... anyway, we have a difference of opinion, obviously....80's rock and metal is STILL big....and it's not going anywhere... OK, I think alot of you are missing the point here. We are not just talking about the ability to play guitar though we are all biased because we are guitarists and you you know what critics we can be . I think what we're getting at here is that the 80's was a period of extreme excess. Hair, clothes, make-up, colors, and yes..music. More is better was the attitude then and it showed in the music. This blind excess lead to music that was ..well..cheesy! There was just too much cheese oozing out of the 80's bands and even the older guys who were around before that fell victim (Neil Young, Bob Dylan, etc). Yes, the musicianship was there and we as guitarists appreciate that, but set that aside and it just comes down to silly, chessy music. Grunge and alternative was a return to artful songwriting but substance other than chicks and partying. You guys who grew up with that will of course defend it and this is just mine (and jimbax's) perspective, as well us representing those who oppose that type of stuff. Outside of your circle of friends and age group, there are not really any people who like that stuff and find it silly and childish. I'm sorry to say guys but that period of music will not hold up over time. Younger generations (in general) do not like any of that stuff other than as a funny novelty. Yet I know kids (15-18 yr old) that love Hendrix, Floyd, Zep, Cream, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc. and for that I say Amen! end of rant..flame away:) man, shreder!!! 2 major rants in one day!!! AWESOME!! you go BOOOUUUUYYY!!! |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 13, 2006 16:08:34 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain: Yuk yuk yuk!! Created the downfall of guitar playing. Smashing pumpkins: First album was decent. Guitar playing is horrible but catchy tunes. Stevie Ray Vaughn: What are you talking about? He was rocking during the hair days. Kurt Cobain was 'sincere' that's why he spoke with more weight and depth than any cheesy 'pre-fab' big hair band trying to 'replicate' a trendy tune...not just the 'grunge' guys but anyone that plays from their heart and pours their soul into their music...this is what 'moves' me... a bunch of jack@ss jokers with dolly parton hairdoos singin some cheese tune about 'cherry pie' with comic book antics...I hated that and still can't stand all that crap... sincere? SINCERE? LMFAO..this is turning into a damned joke....sincere.... ok, I'm gonna plug the raunchiest grunge pedal into a wall of marshalls and beat the piss outta my guitar...genius!!! people in the 80's knew how to have a f*ckin' good time with their music..all grunge did was churn out a bunch of angry, angsty teens who had nothin' better to do than complain into a friggin' microphone.... |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Jan 13, 2006 16:08:55 GMT -5
this is the best thread ever... LMAO.
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 13, 2006 16:09:38 GMT -5
oh my God..you're a Deville fan..... oh my God oh my God OH my God oh MY God oh my GOD if you mean that cc played a great solo and wrote great tunes...then yes, i'm a fan...proud of it.... you will never EVER hear me say that CC played a great solo on ANYTHING EVER..lol..did he play some solos that fit? sure...hey, the sun's gonna shine on a dog's ass sooner or later...hehehe... as far as great tunes..he wrote some fun tunes...that I will agree with you on....they were few and far between though... |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 13, 2006 16:10:18 GMT -5
OK, I think alot of you are missing the point here. We are not just talking about the ability to play guitar though we are all biased because we are guitarists and you you know what critics we can be . I think what we're getting at here is that the 80's was a period of extreme excess. Hair, clothes, make-up, colors, and yes..music. More is better was the attitude then and it showed in the music. This blind excess lead to music that was ..well..cheesy! There was just too much cheese oozing out of the 80's bands and even the older guys who were around before that fell victim (Neil Young, Bob Dylan, etc). Yes, the musicianship was there and we as guitarists appreciate that, but set that aside and it just comes down to silly, chessy music. Grunge and alternative was a return to artful songwriting with substance other than chicks and partying. You guys who grew up with that will of course defend it and this is just mine (and jimbax's) perspective, as well us representing those who oppose that type of stuff. Outside of your circle of friends and age group, there are not really any people who like that stuff and find it silly and childish. I'm sorry to say guys but that period of music will not hold up over time. Younger generations (in general) do not like any of that stuff other than as a funny novelty. Yet I know kids (15-18 yr old) that love Hendrix, Floyd, Zep, Cream, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc. and for that I say Amen! end of rant..flame away:) can someone please explain to me what "cheese" means...it's used constantly with "cheesy 80s tunes"...but what the hell does that mean...some explain that to me... the same can be said about grunge bands in their dr. martens just standing there singing about how they hate their parents LOL... as much as we disagree on some things, it's when you say things like this that makes me remember why I love you, man...LMAO.....agreed!@ |
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