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Post by jimbax on Dec 21, 2005 10:27:12 GMT -5
yea yea....spiderman is better than aquaman, and superman can take batman, speed racer can take down kimba the white lion...
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 21, 2005 10:31:34 GMT -5
yea yea....spiderman is better than aquaman, and superman can take batman, speed racer can take down kimba the white lion... we're talking about randy rhoads...i, i'm at a loss as to how we're even having this debate... |
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Post by jimbax on Dec 21, 2005 10:41:02 GMT -5
JimBax, I agree with what you said about being too technical and just jamming. My big chops shreddding days are long gone, I just play now and I NEVER practice rock, metal or blues, I just play in my band and do alot of improv. Even the 2 clips on the Splawn site mostly improv except for the rhtyhms,, I am a total fan of jamming and am 100% agreement with you. The only thing I practice anymore is reading and Classical (Strict nylon string style, not "neo")which I do only for me. Most people don't even know I do it unless they come over here to my house and see the sheet music laying all over the place.,..  I play a bit of classical guitar...do you sight read? I can chop up pieces and work them out slowly...I've done a number of Bach, Albeniz and Sor comps like that...in chunks..my right hand technique is 'wrong' but I get the job done...I had a classical guitar teacher buy a Ramirez 1A from me in the late 80s and when he arrived I was playing a classical piece with my back turned...he said: 'excellent', very nice....' and then walked around and watched me play and said: 'ooops, your right hand is wrong and that will limit you to what pieces you can play' ....yep! he's right...it has...I don't play with my 'nails' either.. |
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Post by jimbax on Dec 21, 2005 10:43:47 GMT -5
yea yea....spiderman is better than aquaman, and superman can take batman, speed racer can take down kimba the white lion... we're talking about randy rhoads...i, i'm at a loss as to how we're even having this debate... what 'debate'....you like Randy....ALOT...I do too... |
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 21, 2005 10:45:14 GMT -5
we're talking about randy rhoads...i, i'm at a loss as to how we're even having this debate... what 'debate'....you like Randy....ALOT...I do too... ha!...not you...i mean the randy vs "everybody else not named EVH" debate |
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Post by jimbax on Dec 21, 2005 10:56:22 GMT -5
there is a growing number of 'Randy haters' out there...cold, heartless individuals! may they be forever plaqued with buzzy fretboards, hand cramps and solid state amps!!!!
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Post by TJ on Dec 21, 2005 10:56:57 GMT -5
This is quite the thread. Randy was great. No denying that. EVH is great. There's no denying that. Demartini is great. No denying that. Now you all shake hands and stop this bickering. LOL!!!!! By the way Nuno Bettencourt,Steve Morse, Virginia Luque, Brent Mason, Ben Lacy, Tuck Andress, etc. etc. etc. Are all (In my opinion) much more accomplished guitarists than any of the above mentioned in this thread. That ought to spark up some convo  |
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 21, 2005 10:58:39 GMT -5
there's accomplished guitarists and then there's INFLUENTIAL guitarists...randy is in the latter...
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Post by TJ on Dec 21, 2005 11:06:11 GMT -5
there's accomplished guitarists and then there's INFLUENTIAL guitarists...randy is in the latter... I'll agree with that. |
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Post by shreder75 on Dec 21, 2005 11:09:22 GMT -5
Now You kids behave..or I'm gonna have to slap you around again...you got it about 90% correct...George Lynch was at least equal if not ahead of Randy at that time...I don't know this Warren DiMartini guy but he knew he wasn't on Randy's level then...I think he came out of San Diego? the only guy that was ahead of randy...ever...now...tomorrow...2 weeks ago...20 years ago...was EVH... oh, dude...PLEASE...the 'only' guy?? you're making RR out to be some sort of god, which he's not... I can think of plenty of players better than RR....ever, now, tomorrow, two weeks ago, 20 years ago... Steve Morse Steve Vai Joe Satriani Al Dimeola John Norum Nuno friggin Bettencourt just to name a few.... |
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Post by shreder75 on Dec 21, 2005 11:10:48 GMT -5
This is quite the thread. Randy was great. No denying that. EVH is great. There's no denying that. Demartini is great. No denying that. Now you all shake hands and stop this bickering. LOL!!!!! By the way Nuno Bettencourt,Steve Morse, Virginia Luque, Brent Mason, Ben Lacy, Tuck Andress, etc. etc. etc. Are all (In my opinion) much more accomplished guitarists than any of the above mentioned in this thread. That ought to spark up some convo totally agreed with nuno and steve, dude..never heard of those other guys though....lol |
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Post by shreder75 on Dec 21, 2005 11:13:06 GMT -5
lots of guys are influential though..let's not mix arguments here...lol...
EVH was big into cream....THAT's one of HIS influences....
if we're gonna talk influences then you have to bring up the likes of Paige, Beck, Hendrix, etc, etc, etc....
but that's not the argument =) or debate..or whatever the hell we're calling this miss mash of a friggin' thread.......lol....
I just think I'm not starting threads anymore..cause it seems the more I do, the more they turn into totally off topic debates....
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 21, 2005 11:15:05 GMT -5
the only guy that was ahead of randy...ever...now...tomorrow...2 weeks ago...20 years ago...was EVH... oh, dude...PLEASE...the 'only' guy?? you're making RR out to be some sort of god, which he's not... I can think of plenty of players better than RR....ever, now, tomorrow, two weeks ago, 20 years ago... Steve Morse Steve Vai Joe Satriani Al Dimeola John Norum Nuno friggin Bettencourt just to name a few.... i have no comment for what you just posted... wait, yes i do...i'll start with nuno...great player but EVH jr...you can't deny that... john norum...you gotta be kidding right...that's not even worth arguing over al dimeola...when was the last time you went home and put on an al dimeola song...i mean SONG... as for the other three...read my post about accomplished versus INFLUENTIAL... that fact that you don't see randy as a "god" like you said is completely unbelievable to me... |
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 21, 2005 11:16:55 GMT -5
lots of guys are influential though..let's not mix arguments here...lol... EVH was big into cream....THAT's one of HIS influences.... if we're gonna talk influences then you have to bring up the likes of Paige, Beck, Hendrix, etc, etc, etc.... but that's not the argument =) or debate..or whatever the hell we're calling this miss mash of a friggin' thread.......lol.... I just think I'm not starting threads anymore..cause it seems the more I do, the more they turn into totally off topic debates.... influential doesn't mean one person's influences...it means influencing a whole generation/movement...and in that definition clapton/randy is influential...nuno is not! |
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Post by shreder75 on Dec 21, 2005 11:24:51 GMT -5
I certinaly can deny that nuno is EVH junior...I'm not talking influence wise or anything....strictly from a technical standpoint....nuno is better than eddy...he can do eddy simply can't....he's a twisted guitar wizard have you ever listened to any of john norums solo albums? or just what he did with europe? listen to his work on the Don Dokken solo album, AND his solo albums, then we'll talk, dude....his phrasing is crazy... I don't see any of these guys as God's anymore, dude....I see guys that I like, guys that I don't like...guys who I wish I was as good as (not sound like, but could play as well as) and guys that I can't stand....I haven't worshipped a guitar player in over ten years.... I don't try to emulate anybody...I don't try to cop other people's links... this reminds me of Metallica syndrome...that band could put out a phuckin' polka album and blind metallica fans would tout it as the greatest cd ever and it would go platinum by lunch of the release day.... I'm a fan of music, but I don't follow anybody blindly..as much as I love Lynch, I don't worship him as a good..cause technically there's guys out there better than him... oh, here's a few more Marty Friedman Jason Becker (poor guy..really sad situation) Steve Stevens Pablo Gilberto =d I will not deny that RR was very influential in his day...even though he was really just tryin' to cop EVH back in the day after EVH broke..then even lynch fully admits that they ALL WERE.... but I'll tell you one thing..I don't worship RR, I hardly listen to the guy and I play ok....lol.. oh, dude...PLEASE...the 'only' guy?? you're making RR out to be some sort of god, which he's not... I can think of plenty of players better than RR....ever, now, tomorrow, two weeks ago, 20 years ago... Steve Morse Steve Vai Joe Satriani Al Dimeola John Norum Nuno friggin Bettencourt just to name a few.... i have no comment for what you just posted... wait, yes i do...i'll start with nuno...great player but EVH jr...you can't deny that... john norum...you gotta be kidding right...that's not even worth arguing over al dimeola...when was the last time you went home and put on an al dimeola song...i mean SONG... as for the other three...read my post about accomplished versus INFLUENTIAL... that fact that you don't see randy as a "god" like you said is completely unbelievable to me... |
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