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Post by jimbax on Dec 20, 2005 18:26:39 GMT -5
I have a few minutes before dinner and I was trying to think of the best way to describe to you guys the experience of a guy like Randy Rhoads in the late 70s....it is so hard to describe because it has been a long time since he died and a lot has been accomplished with hard rock/metal guitar since...in a sea of prima-donna rockers is this little guy with a humble personality and Les Paul slung low (I always hated his 'Mick Ronson' bow tie cute-see look though...) just the way he played the guitar was 'effortless' for a little guy with tiny fingers...kinda like a circus freak kinda thing (in a good way that is...) he definitely had low self esteem when he talked about other guitar players, I know he really liked EVH and even started 'tapping' with right hand after VH broke..but, there was this 'spark' about him....Sharon Osbourne said that when Randy was in a room there was a 'special' energy there...I know that she saw and 'felt' it...I don't mean to say that the guy was as good or better than the guitar players I mentioned before (Holdsworth, DiMeola, etc...) he wasn't...BUT he was the most 'impressive' by virtue of the combination of things mentioned above....he had MAJOR "IT" factor! when Ozzy broke out and people started to recognize Randy on a larger level it was like a really cool 'good guy' finally is getting props...good guy wins kinda thing...everyone of that period that knew Randy, and even of him, is not surprised at the impact that guy had/has even after his death...again, easily (to me) the most 'impressive' guitar player I have ever seen...he impacted me in a very personal way as a guitar player and a person.
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Post by jimbax on Dec 20, 2005 18:40:58 GMT -5
I think the whole harmoinic minor thing was way over-rated and talked about. Its a friggin minor scale with a raised 7th.. its one note! Guys that impressed me with scales were like Marty Friedman and DiMeola who could twist in and out of melodic ideas,, and DeMartini who would substitute the Dom7 over the vi in addition to the standard blues box stuff.. and who knows what Lynch is thinking, that guy has the coolest note choices. man craig, I know you were a guitar teacher but don't you ever want to just forget all that crap and just jam? A great man that I respect greatly told me (indirectly that is..): "it is very important to know the technicalities and harmonic/thoretics of music....learn it! know it well! then, put it in your 'tool belt' and forget about it! go out and play and quit taking music so seriously!"....('Robert Fripp').....the BIGGEST thing that I like about all the players you mention: is, how many BAD notes they play or start on and then 'bend' up to harmony...VH plays the wrong scale all the time! but it sounds cool! all those guys play 'shapes' and forms up and down the neck that arent 'tonically' accurate all the time but man it sounds cool...I like playing 'risk' solos...fly out there...people like seeing musicians on the fringe...taking chances...I crash and burn alot, but so what! it's rock n roll! |
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Post by shreder75 on Dec 20, 2005 21:08:35 GMT -5
now, craig...why would you call me out like this as if I disagreed with a single thing you just said here? LMAO.... I said the same about EJ, the same about dimartini, the same about lynch...lol...I even mentioend the thing about randy gettin' better if he wasn't taken so early in life you didn't do your homework young man....now, go back and read shredder's posts cause there's gonna be a pop quiz tomorrow..lmfao.. Ok look guys this thread is getting out of hand. I have a great idea,, please everyone, Splawnfan, JimBax, Shreder,,, ok here it is. Please just agree with whatever I say,, ok? Great... LMAO. EVH wrote the book period.. I don't care what anyone says. Randy was hugely influenced by EVH even though he did a little classical. And trust me when I say a LITTLE CLASSICAL. The "Dee" thing is barely Classical.. ok seriously. I'm doing this right now at Steston U, and that ain't classical... And Randy was NO Yngwie who took classical phrasing into Metal.. BUT Randy was really good, fairly clean and had a terrible tone. God love him cause he died too soon,, and I truly believe he would have gotten ALOT better.. DeMartini not as good as Randy? You guys need to get off the crack-pipe and try learning some of those licks. Its not about flash (Jimbaxs rant).. your missing the point completely.. DeMartini was fluid like a horn player and could play circles around Randy. Whether or not Randy was an influence makes no difference.. Randy and 27 and Warren at 27? Warren hands down. Lynch.. Oh yeah sorry he is/was better too. Maybe not until he was in his thirties, but he was. Eric Johnson a blues guy???!!! Good lord, open your ears boy. He was around Austin since long before SRV and was way more John Mclaughlin than John Lee Hooker. Now please, everyone just agree with me.  hahahahaahaa. |
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Post by shreder75 on Dec 20, 2005 21:10:15 GMT -5
I agree, I would imagine in '78-'79 after VH got signed... seeing Randy was pretty unreal for that time period of unacheiving rock players like Nugent and Frampton, Randy was probably amazing to see. Wish I could have been there. hey, there's nothin' wrong with frampton or nugent =) then again, it's apples and oranges..totally different types of music... and yes, I'm a 20 something and I don't mind those guys so nyyahhhh, jim..lol |
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Post by jimbax on Dec 20, 2005 22:02:39 GMT -5
I agree, I would imagine in '78-'79 after VH got signed... seeing Randy was pretty unreal for that time period of unacheiving rock players like Nugent and Frampton, Randy was probably amazing to see. Wish I could have been there. hey, there's nothin' wrong with frampton or nugent =) then again, it's apples and oranges..totally different types of music... and yes, I'm a 20 something and I don't mind those guys so nyyahhhh, jim..lol my main point here is that the younger guitar players are 'riding on the shoulders of giants' and then dis'ing the giants...I used to do the same thing when I was younger so I (hypocritically) know! I admit it...the older I get the more respect I have for the hard rock patriarchs...they blazed a path that is much easier to walk now... |
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Post by Dirrty Craig on Dec 20, 2005 23:27:43 GMT -5
JimBax, I agree with what you said about being too technical and just jamming. My big chops shreddding days are long gone, I just play now and I NEVER practice rock, metal or blues, I just play in my band and do alot of improv. Even the 2 clips on the Splawn site mostly improv except for the rhtyhms,, I am a total fan of jamming and am 100% agreement with you. The only thing I practice anymore is reading and Classical (Strict nylon string style, not "neo")which I do only for me. Most people don't even know I do it unless they come over here to my house and see the sheet music laying all over the place.,.. |
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 21, 2005 8:41:19 GMT -5
anyone that can state that demartini is better than rhoads is...is...is...*shakes head***
plus, randy was in the public eye doing the metal/classic thing way before Yngwie...
saying that he had potential to get better is like saying that picasso had potential only if he just kept painting ***shakes head again***
the best quote in this whole thread is when jimbax stated that demartini would laugh if he heard you comparing him to rhoads...AND I'M A HUGE DEMARTINI FAN...my buddy was a huge randy fan and at school we used to write on each others lockers about who was better...i was defending demartini...but, come on...he was right...RANDY RHOADS!
there wouldn't be a jake/lynch/demartini/etc if it wasn't for EVH/Rhoads...they create dthat whole scene...anyone that came after is just a copy of that style in one form or another
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Post by shreder75 on Dec 21, 2005 9:27:45 GMT -5
dimartini is better than rhoads =) that's my story and I'm sticking to it...
we could do the whole 'there wouldn't be X guitarist if Y guitarist didn't come first'...hell, we could go back to the days of zepplin if you wanted to....OR, I'll do you one better....there would probably be NONE of the bands that we've mentioned if it weren't for the BEATLES....now, put that in your collective pipes and smoke it =)
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 21, 2005 9:44:15 GMT -5
dimartini is better than rhoads =) that's my story and I'm sticking to it... we could do the whole 'there wouldn't be X guitarist if Y guitarist didn't come first'...hell, we could go back to the days of zepplin if you wanted to....OR, I'll do you one better....there would probably be NONE of the bands that we've mentioned if it weren't for the BEATLES....now, put that in your collective pipes and smoke it =) we're discussing bands that clearly followed in a very close time frame... we can go back to the time of the big bang and say none of us would be here... |
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Post by shreder75 on Dec 21, 2005 10:04:20 GMT -5
dimartini is better than rhoads =) that's my story and I'm sticking to it... we could do the whole 'there wouldn't be X guitarist if Y guitarist didn't come first'...hell, we could go back to the days of zepplin if you wanted to....OR, I'll do you one better....there would probably be NONE of the bands that we've mentioned if it weren't for the BEATLES....now, put that in your collective pipes and smoke it =) we're discussing bands that clearly followed in a very close time frame... we can go back to the time of the big bang and say none of us would be here... thank you for making my point for me..lol |
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Post by jimbax on Dec 21, 2005 10:06:16 GMT -5
anyone that can state that demartini is better than rhoads is...is...is...*shakes head*** plus, randy was in the public eye doing the metal/classic thing way before Yngwie... saying that he had potential to get better is like saying that picasso had potential only if he just kept painting ***shakes head again*** the best quote in this whole thread is when jimbax stated that demartini would laugh if he heard you comparing him to rhoads...AND I'M A HUGE DEMARTINI FAN...my buddy was a huge randy fan and at school we used to write on each others lockers about who was better...i was defending demartini...but, come on...he was right...RANDY RHOADS! there wouldn't be a jake/lynch/demartini/etc if it wasn't for EVH/Rhoads...they create dthat whole scene...anyone that came after is just a copy of that style in one form or another Now You kids behave..or I'm gonna have to slap you around again...you got it about 90% correct...George Lynch was at least equal if not ahead of Randy at that time...I don't know this Warren DiMartini guy but he knew he wasn't on Randy's level then...I think he came out of San Diego? |
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Post by jimbax on Dec 21, 2005 10:17:41 GMT -5
a little 'history' on the early ozzy stuff....Randy was a huge 'Alice Cooper' fan (as I was too) I didn't know RR was into Alice Cooper until the Blizzard album then it was totally evident....read a few years later in a posthumous article that Randy talked with Ozzy and they thought a good 'marketable' band theme would be that Ozzy has lost his mind....is 'evil' and unstable...Randy immediately thought of the 'theatrical' Alice Cooper stuff (Listen especially to 'Killers') and adopted it into his approach to the Ozzy albums...contrary to popular belief, Ozzy isn't a 'stupid blithering fool' as he depicts himself...he uses that for attention and to market (as in make money...) himself and his family....a smart and shrewd businessman is more appropriate, he's a lunatic all the way to the bank would be another way to put it...
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 21, 2005 10:18:52 GMT -5
anyone that can state that demartini is better than rhoads is...is...is...*shakes head*** plus, randy was in the public eye doing the metal/classic thing way before Yngwie... saying that he had potential to get better is like saying that picasso had potential only if he just kept painting ***shakes head again*** the best quote in this whole thread is when jimbax stated that demartini would laugh if he heard you comparing him to rhoads...AND I'M A HUGE DEMARTINI FAN...my buddy was a huge randy fan and at school we used to write on each others lockers about who was better...i was defending demartini...but, come on...he was right...RANDY RHOADS! there wouldn't be a jake/lynch/demartini/etc if it wasn't for EVH/Rhoads...they create dthat whole scene...anyone that came after is just a copy of that style in one form or another Now You kids behave..or I'm gonna have to slap you around again...you got it about 90% correct...George Lynch was at least equal if not ahead of Randy at that time...I don't know this Warren DiMartini guy but he knew he wasn't on Randy's level then...I think he came out of San Diego? the only guy that was ahead of randy...ever...now...tomorrow...2 weeks ago...20 years ago...was EVH... |
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Post by jimbax on Dec 21, 2005 10:19:39 GMT -5
Now You kids behave..or I'm gonna have to slap you around again...you got it about 90% correct...George Lynch was at least equal if not ahead of Randy at that time...I don't know this Warren DiMartini guy but he knew he wasn't on Randy's level then...I think he came out of San Diego? the only guy that was ahead of randy...ever...now...tomorrow...2 weeks ago...20 years ago...was EVH... As you wish.... |
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Post by VomHalen on Dec 21, 2005 10:22:11 GMT -5
the only guy that was ahead of randy...ever...now...tomorrow...2 weeks ago...20 years ago...was EVH... As you wish.... thank you...(jake e lee/demartini...how dare you) |
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