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Post by gtrjunior on Jan 1, 2021 13:23:03 GMT -5
hey, i'm new here! so.. happy new year guys! BTW.. I see many who use the bass at 12 or higher .. I keep them around 9 .. I find the QR with many, too many booming bass .. nice if you play in the bedroom but not very functional with the band (you know, it mixes with the bass, etc ..) I don't know if the power tubes I mount, EL34B, are not the cause of this? ... I also find that, compared to a marshall 800, it lacks a bit of that "scratch" on the mid-highs that pierce the mix, it seems to have a blanket in front of the speaker .... maybe always the tubes? for the rest I love this amp, the creaminess of the gain, some solutions like the boost only with + gain ... I think the gears in the footswitch is a bit useless but ok .. even if i have nothing in send / return i keep it turned on with the volume at maximum .. i hear a better sound .. btw I play early 80's heavy metal stuff with a super strat and classic 4x12 Marshall 1960s (G75-12 Celestion speaker) Welcome! I have experimented with tubes quite a bit and I honestly find the stock Chinese tubes to have the best sound...at least for me. They are EL34 B as well. What brand of tubes are you using? |
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Post by briman on Jan 1, 2021 13:56:32 GMT -5
Happy New Year everyone! Wishing health and happiness for you all.
My guess is he is using Ruby's.
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Post by cvogue on Jan 1, 2021 14:28:08 GMT -5
Happy New Year Splawners!!!!
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Post by gtrjunior on Jan 1, 2021 14:53:00 GMT -5
Happy New Years guys!!
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Post by cvogue on Jan 1, 2021 14:59:19 GMT -5
hey, i'm new here! so.. happy new year guys! BTW.. I see many who use the bass at 12 or higher .. I keep them around 9 .. I find the QR with many, too many booming bass .. nice if you play in the bedroom but not very functional with the band (you know, it mixes with the bass, etc ..) I don't know if the power tubes I mount, EL34B, are not the cause of this? ... I also find that, compared to a marshall 800, it lacks a bit of that "scratch" on the mid-highs that pierce the mix, it seems to have a blanket in front of the speaker .... maybe always the tubes? for the rest I love this amp, the creaminess of the gain, some solutions like the boost only with + gain ... I think the gears in the footswitch is a bit useless but ok .. even if i have nothing in send / return i keep it turned on with the volume at maximum .. i hear a better sound .. btw I play early 80's heavy metal stuff with a super strat and classic 4x12 Marshall 1960s (G75-12 Celestion speaker) Happy New Year and welcome to the forums! I've got a Street Rod combo and had it retubed with EL34B's (JJ's) and they're a bit bassier than the EL34's that were in there initially. I'd say they have a "richer" sound if that makes any sense. I will say that gear 2 can sound a bit bassy, I usually use gear 1 (play classic rock covers). When on gear 2 I cut the bass. When I played in a more modern band I used gear 2 OD2 and that added some edge. OD1/OD2 changes are quite subtle, but the gears are pretty different. I will say that Splawns seem to be picky about speakers (and crappy buffers, more on that in a sec)... you're using G12T-75's? I always thought those sounded a little muddy to my ears. Probably good to tame the sometimes harsh Marshall high end but Splaws are middy. Scott ships his cabs with his own (Eminence based Greenback style) Small Block or Celestion creambacks. I've got a Creamback 65 in my SR and I have a greenback in an extension cab. The Creamback has a bit of a mid hump and the greenie has a nice edge to it that makes the combo of the two sound great. Also, as mentioned, bad buffers in effects can really mess up your Splawn tone. I had a Crybaby 95Q with a crap buffer in it, it killed the Splawn tone, just muddy dull and lifeless, took it out and the Splawn magic was back. I'd try plugging straight in and see what happens. You said you don't have anything in the loop, if you haven't tried it I'd recommend just putting a cable in send/return, it does make a difference. Just a few things to consider, hope it helps! They're great amps. |
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Post by marksimonhell on Jan 1, 2021 18:18:59 GMT -5
thanks for the welcome guys,
so, i don't use effects .. just a polytune and i recently tried an sd1 in front and maybe it's the right pedal to cut and focus the sound .. but i still have to try with the band ..
the EL34Bs I have are from a German company, I live in Italy, which sells tubes and parts for amplifiers, its name is Tube Town ... they select EL34Bs and brand them ... like TAD, Ruby or other brands. .. I think, but I am not sure, that EL34B are built by Tung-Sol .. maybe?
I know the characteristics of being a bit of a "loudness" effect a lot of low and high and a bit hollowed out in the mid frequencies, for this reason I started to blame them .. but I also tried JJ and I had the same feeling ..
has anyone tried the "mistreated" Electro Harmonix EL34?
I tried Orange Speaker 4x12 loaded with V30 and it was even worse .. no a blanket in front but two .. ehhe ... even with Marshall AX loaded with Greenback I always have a bit of that effect ..
I use gear 1, which is drier .. however 2
consider that I always speak according to the band .. alone the sound is fantastic .. but in the band the tendency is a bit to disappear .. I also talked about it with our sound engineer also he says that they lack high, mid-high frequencies .. although he also loves the rest of the sound .. he says "if Splawn had the highs and the" scratch "of the JCM800 it would be the definitive amp"
thanx
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Post by cvogue on Jan 1, 2021 21:39:10 GMT -5
thanks for the welcome guys, so, i don't use effects .. just a polytune and i recently tried an sd1 in front and maybe it's the right pedal to cut and focus the sound .. but i still have to try with the band .. the EL34Bs I have are from a German company, I live in Italy, which sells tubes and parts for amplifiers, its name is Tube Town ... they select EL34Bs and brand them ... like TAD, Ruby or other brands. .. I think, but I am not sure, that EL34B are built by Tung-Sol .. maybe? I know the characteristics of being a bit of a "loudness" effect a lot of low and high and a bit hollowed out in the mid frequencies, for this reason I started to blame them .. but I also tried JJ and I had the same feeling .. has anyone tried the "mistreated" Electro Harmonix EL34? I tried Orange Speaker 4x12 loaded with V30 and it was even worse .. no a blanket in front but two .. ehhe ... even with Marshall AX loaded with Greenback I always have a bit of that effect .. I use gear 1, which is drier .. however 2 consider that I always speak according to the band .. alone the sound is fantastic .. but in the band the tendency is a bit to disappear .. I also talked about it with our sound engineer also he says that they lack high, mid-high frequencies .. although he also loves the rest of the sound .. he says "if Splawn had the highs and the" scratch "of the JCM800 it would be the definitive amp" thanx Ugh, I'm not a fan of V30's in general and apparently they don't play well with Splawns. Some like them but I find them very harsh. If you have an EQ pedal, putting that in the loop to craft the tone might help. I know you said you don't do a lot of effects though. Yeah I think the stock tubes I had were TAD EL34s |
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Post by marksimonhell on Jan 2, 2021 4:57:22 GMT -5
yes, i will try with a EQ pedal in the loop! thanx
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Post by gtrjunior on Jan 2, 2021 8:12:36 GMT -5
Very strange that you find the Splawn to NOT stand out in the band mix.
I find the opposite. Right now I am the only guitar player in my band but in the past I have been in a 2 guitar band and my QR eats the other guitar for breakfast!
So the best advise I can give for troubleshooting is what Cvogue already suggested....
First thing unplug everything from the amp and plug the guitar straight in.
Second, when you mentioned tubes, you didn’t say if you were talking about power or preamp tubes. I assumed power.
So, what preamp tubes are you running? I have found JJ to be dark sounding.
I have a new production Mullard in V1, which uses half of the tube for the clean channel.
In V2 (and the rest of the preamp
Slots) I have the Stock Chinese tubes.
I would suggest putting a brighter tube in V2 and see what happens. Just about any tube will be brighter than JJ.
Try that and let us know what happens.
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Post by marksimonhell on Jan 2, 2021 13:30:21 GMT -5
Very strange that you find the Splawn to NOT stand out in the band mix. I find the opposite. Right now I am the only guitar player in my band but in the past I have been in a 2 guitar band and my QR eats the other guitar for breakfast! So the best advise I can give for troubleshooting is what Cvogue already suggested.... First thing unplug everything from the amp and plug the guitar straight in. Second, when you mentioned tubes, you didn’t say if you were talking about power or preamp tubes. I assumed power. So, what preamp tubes are you running? I have found JJ to be dark sounding. I have a new production Mullard in V1, which uses half of the tube for the clean channel. In V2 (and the rest of the preamp Slots) I have the Stock Chinese tubes. I would suggest putting a brighter tube in V2 and see what happens. Just about any tube will be brighter than JJ. Try that and let us know what happens. thanx, so.. we always mentioned EL34B, power tubes so.. honestly i don't know what's in the preamp .. stock tubes i think .. when i bought, second hand, i still had stock power tubes but they broke in shipping ..
when you played with another guitarist what did he use?
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Post by cvogue on Jan 2, 2021 18:29:15 GMT -5
Very strange that you find the Splawn to NOT stand out in the band mix. I find the opposite. Right now I am the only guitar player in my band but in the past I have been in a 2 guitar band and my QR eats the other guitar for breakfast! So the best advise I can give for troubleshooting is what Cvogue already suggested.... First thing unplug everything from the amp and plug the guitar straight in. Second, when you mentioned tubes, you didn’t say if you were talking about power or preamp tubes. I assumed power. So, what preamp tubes are you running? I have found JJ to be dark sounding. I have a new production Mullard in V1, which uses half of the tube for the clean channel. In V2 (and the rest of the preamp Slots) I have the Stock Chinese tubes. I would suggest putting a brighter tube in V2 and see what happens. Just about any tube will be brighter than JJ. Try that and let us know what happens. thanx, so.. we always mentioned EL34B, power tubes so.. honestly i don't know what's in the preamp .. stock tubes i think .. when i bought, second hand, i still had stock power tubes but they broke in shipping ..
when you played with another guitarist what did he use?
It's funny, tubes are a very subjective thing, some like certain tube sounds others don't. I thought JJ preamp tubes were a dark muddy mess in my old Peavey Classic, awful. But JJ EL84's in the power section of the Peavey sounded good, nice and rich. But, then JJ preamp tubes sounded great in my Blackstar. When my Street Rod blew up (long story, moral is don't put drinks on top of your amp!) it was retubed with JJ EL34B's and sounds really good, again nice rich sound. To be honest I'm not sure what I've got in the preamp of my SR, I think one of the stock tubes, a JJ and an Electro Harmonix as well. Bit of a mishmash, I was tube swapping and found a combo that sounded the best with what I had so they're still in there. Oh, be aware... the tube sockets (at least for the preamp tubes, maybe the power tubes) on Splawns are REALLY tight. Take your time and don't force it too much, but once you get it, the tube will snap into place. As far as standing out in the mix, gotta echo what gtrjunior said. My last band was a two guitar band and our tone was pretty different, I had no problems standing out in the mix tho. He had a lot of delay going on so I didn't. He used a Marshall DSL401 with various OD pedals for boosting/adding gain and a Line 6 M13 for delays and other fun stuff. At one practice he was joking about my tone... "I love that tone you've got right now and it pisses me off!" |
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Post by gtrjunior on Jan 2, 2021 20:56:27 GMT -5
Very strange that you find the Splawn to NOT stand out in the band mix. I find the opposite. Right now I am the only guitar player in my band but in the past I have been in a 2 guitar band and my QR eats the other guitar for breakfast! So the best advise I can give for troubleshooting is what Cvogue already suggested.... First thing unplug everything from the amp and plug the guitar straight in. Second, when you mentioned tubes, you didn’t say if you were talking about power or preamp tubes. I assumed power. So, what preamp tubes are you running? I have found JJ to be dark sounding. I have a new production Mullard in V1, which uses half of the tube for the clean channel. In V2 (and the rest of the preamp Slots) I have the Stock Chinese tubes. I would suggest putting a brighter tube in V2 and see what happens. Just about any tube will be brighter than JJ. Try that and let us know what happens. thanx, so.. we always mentioned EL34B, power tubes so.. honestly i don't know what's in the preamp .. stock tubes i think .. when i bought, second hand, i still had stock power tubes but they broke in shipping ..
when you played with another guitarist what did he use?
Marshall DSL100 I just have missed that we were talking power tubes! Also worth noting, the bias setting has a bit to do with how the amp sounds too. I have found that mine sounds best when set at a slightly colder bias. Does your QR have the Drop B+ switch? |
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Post by gtrjunior on Jan 2, 2021 20:59:09 GMT -5
thanx, so.. we always mentioned EL34B, power tubes so.. honestly i don't know what's in the preamp .. stock tubes i think .. when i bought, second hand, i still had stock power tubes but they broke in shipping ..
when you played with another guitarist what did he use?
It's funny, tubes are a very subjective thing, some like certain tube sounds others don't. I thought JJ preamp tubes were a dark muddy mess in my old Peavey Classic, awful. But JJ EL84's in the power section of the Peavey sounded good, nice and rich. But, then JJ preamp tubes sounded great in my Blackstar. When my Street Rod blew up (long story, moral is don't put drinks on top of your amp!) it was retubed with JJ EL34B's and sounds really good, again nice rich sound. To be honest I'm not sure what I've got in the preamp of my SR, I think one of the stock tubes, a JJ and an Electro Harmonix as well. Bit of a mishmash, I was tube swapping and found a combo that sounded the best with what I had so they're still in there. Oh, be aware... the tube sockets (at least for the preamp tubes, maybe the power tubes) on Splawns are REALLY tight. Take your time and don't force it too much, but once you get it, the tube will snap into place. As far as standing out in the mix, gotta echo what gtrjunior said. My last band was a two guitar band and our tone was pretty different, I had no problems standing out in the mix tho. He had a lot of delay going on so I didn't. He used a Marshall DSL401 with various OD pedals for boosting/adding gain and a Line 6 M13 for delays and other fun stuff. At one practice he was joking about my tone... "I love that tone you've got right now and it pisses me off!" Yeah, I suppose it’s all subjective. One mans mush is another’s nirvana. I also find the JJ’s to sound great in my Blackstar too. But didn’t care for them in my QR. (power tubes). Go figure. |
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Post by marksimonhell on Jan 3, 2021 10:12:21 GMT -5
yes, i agree about the subjective... someone prefer the dark sound, other the brightly.. ECC83/12AX7 from JJ is "soft" but with less high and less gain of a Chinese..
thanks for the advice and the exchange of views .. I will try better with the band, when there is the possibility .. given the situation
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