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Post by shreder75 on Nov 17, 2005 14:36:45 GMT -5
no offense taken =) but I still stand by my original comment...after extensive comparison between different gain settings on second and third gear, second sounds looser to me... just something you'd have to take my word on considering I have third gear =) third gear has alot more gain..more saturated..i find it also to be tighter and more focused attack..i'd rather run third gear with the gain on 10:00 then second gear with the gain on 2:00 if that puts it in perspective.. Tighter? I've never played the QR with 3rd gear, so I don't know exactly what it would sound like through my hands...but in all my years of playing, more gain rarely got me a tighter sound. More compressed maybe? I could definitely see a more saturated sound from the added gain though. Not dissin' you shreder75...more like I'm just a tad surprised. But like you said, it depends what your application is. Over the last 5 years, my rig has steadily declined in gain. My first really "high gain" amp was a JCM800 back in 1986...before then, it was stomp boxes and whatever I could make do with. I recently shelved my Voodoo modded Road King for a JCM800 (took me almost 15 years to come full circle), then I came across the QuickRod...it was exactly the voicing/gain I'd been looking for all these years.
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Post by motrock on Nov 17, 2005 15:03:18 GMT -5
third gear has alot more gain..more saturated..i find it also to be tighter and more focused attack..i'd rather run third gear with the gain on 10:00 then second gear with the gain on 2:00 if that puts it in perspective.. Tighter? I've never played the QR with 3rd gear, so I don't know exactly what it would sound like through my hands...but in all my years of playing, more gain rarely got me a tighter sound. More compressed maybe? I could definitely see a more saturated sound from the added gain though. Not dissin' you shreder75...more like I'm just a tad surprised. But like you said, it depends what your application is. Over the last 5 years, my rig has steadily declined in gain. My first really "high gain" amp was a JCM800 back in 1986...before then, it was stomp boxes and whatever I could make do with. I recently shelved my Voodoo modded Road King for a JCM800 (took me almost 15 years to come full circle), then I came across the QuickRod...it was exactly the voicing/gain I'd been looking for all these years. The voicing and gain is perfect for me too. I am not in to too much gain. The Quick Rods gear 2 is perfect for me as far as metal goes!
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Post by craggin on Nov 17, 2005 15:17:08 GMT -5
Motrock, we must be old guys. ;-)
I don't like using OD/2, to me I lose some of the picking dynamics I get by digging in on OD1. (Which is why I won't ever bother with the 3rd gear mod).
Shreder75, I still think the 3rd gear clips sound more compressed, not necessarily tighter. (But we may be hearing things differently). That isn't a bad thing at all...it just doesn't suit my tastes. As an example, I had my Road King modded by Voodoo Amps to decompress the gain. I've always been used to using my pick attack and fingers to dig in for more gain rather than relying on the amp. That being said, if I were into playing modern metal I'd probably be singing a VERY different tune. Who knows, if Scott ever decides to start doing the mods on old amps and I've got some spare time, maybe I'll send the amp in...but at this point it would be pure overkill.
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Post by shreder75 on Nov 17, 2005 15:24:14 GMT -5
hey, we all like what we like...I prefer lower gain on third gear than higher gain on second gear...we're not talkin' equal gain settings for the two different modes...haveing the gain on 2:30 on third gear would indeed be overkill... anywho, I'm ecstatic that you don't need the third gear mod guys, honest...LOL....this does beg the question though...if you're perfectly happy with second gear, why ask about third? lol sorry, I'm in a foul mood today and prone to bust balls but back to the topic...it might be that third gear indeed does add compression...but to me, that yeilds a tighter more focussed attack...
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Post by VomHalen on Nov 17, 2005 15:32:48 GMT -5
bunch of ol' timers....
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Post by shreder75 on Nov 17, 2005 15:34:06 GMT -5
hahah..
ALSO, what I failed to say that this is with the volume at about 7 30 or so..nowhere near where the amp really starts to wake up....so third gear might even be too much in that application...I haven't been in a setting where I can turn it up that loud without puncturing something internal =d
but for me thus far, third gear's the bee's knees =D
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Post by VomHalen on Nov 17, 2005 15:36:09 GMT -5
i know if i had a chance to try third gear i'd buy one...
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Post by craggin on Nov 17, 2005 15:44:17 GMT -5
<ball busting mode on> I didn't ask about it, I clearly stated that I didn't think I'd need it based on my playing style...so bite me. J/K, bro...;-) <ball busting mode off>
The compression or tighter sound of the 3rd gear would have its place in certain apps...just not mine for now. I probably shouldn't say "never" 'cause we all know how our tastes can change. ;-) I think the cab I'm playing through makes my QR sound tighter than normal, too. Just to test this theory, I'll run it through a different cab tonight and see.
I know that since getting my QR, the soundguys (more than one) have said that my rig is far easier to EQ, sounds better, bigger, and my lead tone is the biggest they've heard.
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Post by craggin on Nov 17, 2005 15:47:58 GMT -5
hahah.. ALSO, what I failed to say that this is with the volume at about 7 30 or so..nowhere near where the amp really starts to wake up....so third gear might even be too much in that application...I haven't been in a setting where I can turn it up that loud without puncturing something internal =d but for me thus far, third gear's the bee's knees =D Alright, that makes even more sense...as I notice at lower volumes (gulp, I'm going to admit this) I do feel that the amp needs that added gain and thump. I've noticed that at gigging volumes, I find myself having to turn down the bass and preamp. I think we're probably all splitting hairs here. (and I was really busting balls with the bite me comment... ) Your clips had the most influence on me getting this amp.
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Post by shreder75 on Nov 17, 2005 17:19:55 GMT -5
hahah.. ALSO, what I failed to say that this is with the volume at about 7 30 or so..nowhere near where the amp really starts to wake up....so third gear might even be too much in that application...I haven't been in a setting where I can turn it up that loud without puncturing something internal =d but for me thus far, third gear's the bee's knees =D Alright, that makes even more sense...as I notice at lower volumes (gulp, I'm going to admit this) I do feel that the amp needs that added gain and thump. I've noticed that at gigging volumes, I find myself having to turn down the bass and preamp. I think we're probably all splitting hairs here. (and I was really busting balls with the bite me comment... ) Your clips had the most influence on me getting this amp. lol...yeah, I saw the ball busting mode tags anywho, I think it's generally the case with most loud amps...bass and gain high at bedroom amps ,but when you crnak it up and it opens up a bit, you gotta lower them a bit..which I honestly haven't had a chance to do yet! we'll see on the 18th, if the other assholes, I mean, 'guys' in my band let me... thanks for the compliment...I'm flattered =D I didn't make any second gear clips though..lol... did ya tell scott that I'm the reaons you're gettin' it? huh, huh, did ya? lmao..j/k
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Post by shreder75 on Nov 17, 2005 17:20:32 GMT -5
i know if i had a chance to try third gear i'd buy one... y0ou need one..trust me..lol
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Post by motrock on Nov 17, 2005 18:20:15 GMT -5
bunch of ol' timers.... I must have all of you fooled! LOL I am only 24! LOL
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Post by motrock on Nov 17, 2005 18:27:56 GMT -5
I think that the first gear would be really cool. The extra added treble on gear 1 has me interested. I can hear that in Shreder75s clip. Each gear would have its own purpose for me. I like the fact that there are many different choices of gain settings. 2 on each gear, which would make 6 different gain choices. That is just mind blowing to me. All of that in just one amp!
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Post by craggin on Nov 17, 2005 18:39:20 GMT -5
shreder75, I listened to all of your clips...here's my take...
On the first gear, I can really hear the "woodiness" of the amp a lot. It definitely has lower gain and bass structure, but the voicing of the amp is still very "Splawn". I hear that same tone when playing mine.
On the 3rd gear, I couldn't put my finger on it, but after listening to it a bunch of times...it dawned on me, the biggest differnence between what I hear on my 2nd gear and your 3rd gear clips is the more "out in front" tone it has (3rd gear). It reminds me of the difference between vintage and modern on a Recto. The presence seems to be more pronounced and it has more "bite" to it. I definitely hear the added bass response and saturation, but the more "out in front" or "in your face" voicing is what seems to differentiate it from the other 2 gears. (All IMHO, of course.)
The cool thing is that all your clips demonstrate that the Splawn voicing is there...unlike a Recto where the vintage and modern settings sound like different amps, from what I hear (between my amp and your clips) is a bit more aggressive voicing between 2nd and 3rd gear. At volume, I can get my 2nd gear to sound like your clips...but I'll bet anything that at gig volumes, your 3rd gear will pound the other musicians in the band. (You're going to dig it, but they'll be pi$$ed.) I'd actually like to hear the 3rd gear mode at volume, that would be pretty cool.
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Post by shreder75 on Nov 17, 2005 22:00:46 GMT -5
I think that the first gear would be really cool. The extra added treble on gear 1 has me interested. I can hear that in Shreder75s clip. Each gear would have its own purpose for me. I like the fact that there are many different choices of gain settings. 2 on each gear, which would make 6 different gain choices. That is just mind blowing to me. All of that in just one amp! it's really deceptive how many options are in the amp...but there's none of the bells and whistles that other boutique amps have...deep, modern, spongy, blah blah blah..none of that crap! three gears, two channels, two OD's BAM! and yes, first gear does add treble....glad you noticed it in the clip..that would be your early VH gear =) I like messin' around with that alot..especially on OD2
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