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Post by bigrandle on Jun 30, 2010 16:09:50 GMT -5
hello fellow splawners. I may or may not have a problem considering I have never really heard any other nitro's in person. I will let you guys know what and how I am running my rig to give you an idea of where im coming from. I am currently running the 09' nitro head with sovtek kt88's into a OS 4x12 marshall cabinet with gk100 speakers. I run my loop volume at full volume engaged with no effects. od1. ltd ec1000 with emg 81/60's. I am starting to notice that I am getting completely burried in the mix. which I am sure for splawn owners doesn't really happen alot. I not saying I dont like the tone that coming out of my amp, i think its just a eq and volume issue. My band practices pretty fricken loud. It started out at around 9 o'clock without earplugs now we (or at least me) is up to noon on the volume. my other guitarist plays a 5150ii and he is still at 9 o'clock when im at noon just so i can be heard in the mix. i am wondering if this is a problem that will get worse or is it just the equipment i have. Also when i got my amp I installed the power tubes but no preamp tubes I assumed they were already installed. please help me get unburried in the mix. or just tell me im crazy.
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Post by splawndude on Jun 30, 2010 17:46:55 GMT -5
with what you've told us you may have a bit of a scooped tone right now. Do you like your KT88s?
Check and see what preamp tubes you have and make sure they all light up (somewhat dimly). I like JJs for preamp.
Also, it is really hard to help without knowing your EQ settings on the amp. If you are having trouble cutting through you need to boost your mids and possibly consider an OD pedal like a Tubescreamer (but the Nitro doesn't need one normally).
And as much as I think the GK100 speakers are kick ass, you may want to consider getting 2 of something else and putting them in an X pattern. Vintage 30s maybe or something from Eminence like a Man O War.
just some thoughts to chew on
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Post by bigrandle on Jun 30, 2010 19:47:16 GMT -5
I am currently running my eq on the amp at: bass@ 9 o'clock, mids @ max, treb @ max, resonance off, presence @ max. all these "scooped" settings are my attemp to counter all the low end coming out of my cab and try to cut back into the mix. I used to run it at bass 9o'clock mids & treb @ 1 o'clock, resonance 9 o'clock, presence @ noon. but lately my band mates have been telling me to turn up volumewise EVERY practice. I notice it the most when im soloing, which is when I wanna be heard & that is when I get the most overpowered in the mix which is extremely frustrating.
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Post by greglecompte on Jun 30, 2010 21:24:23 GMT -5
i play in a 5 peace melodic metal band and i cut through fine tho im covering lows a lot of wen ur in a small space bass will eat up a lot of ur sound so every one should eq not just u but im running mine all in o'clock res 1-2 pres-3-4 bass-1 mid-1-2 treb-3-5 and volume is subjective but id use the solo boost for ur solo sections u no its there for a reason might as well my other guitarist is covering high mids and hi's im covering mostly low mid s and lows and the bass player is covering lows with a little bit of mid scoop on his to keep down the fighting my other guitarist plays a xxx so its about the same as the 5150ii i also boost it with a od808 just level boost tho no gain just to hit the tubes a little harder
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Post by snappinnecks on Jul 1, 2010 20:16:22 GMT -5
You need to put an eq in the loop. Then boost the mids and cut the lows and super high frequencies. I had issues cutting in with my Nitro, but found that using an eq in the loop helped a lot. A Nitro is voiced to have huge low mids. I am assuming you are in a drop tuning also. In standard a Nitro cuts through fine. In drop C or lower you have to use an eq or something to boost the mids to get it to cut through more.
I didn't have the cut issue in drop tunings with my Quickrod. It had more upper mids, so it cut through pretty well. I have noticed the Splawns with the loop volume aren't as loud as the older ones. I think a new volume taper is being used also to make the amp not go from mouse fart to blasting like the older ones did. I hope this helps.
Oh yeah 5150s are freaking loud amps. Fuzzy and buzzy, but really loud.
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Post by Lewis on Jul 1, 2010 22:03:44 GMT -5
Why are you using the loop if you're not running anything through it and high volumes levels are apparently not an issue so there is no need to control the volume with the loop. I know this is a silly question but did you try it with the loop off?
I can drop a rhino from 50 yds out with my '08 Nitro because it is that loud, the only thing that could possibly be louder is another Nitro.
Dime the mids and kill the loop!
Btw Snappinnecks my bud is still using your old Nitro and it sounds KILLER with the same tubes you shipped with it!
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Post by splawndude on Jul 2, 2010 1:17:44 GMT -5
he's got the mids and the treb dimed now.......
res off
pres max
that is a problem right there.
get a Tubescreamer and an EQ pedal. EQ pedal 'should' actually end up pretty flat....
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Post by TJ on Jul 2, 2010 1:34:54 GMT -5
Here's an idea and I'm not being a smart ass. Turn down. Tell your whole band to turn down. There's no reason to play that loud. Keep your stage volume at a working level and have whoever is running your sound pump you up out front. If it's too loud on stage and you can't hear everything that's going on it's a guarantee it's too loud out front and making peeps miserable. You can't play off of each other if you can't hear everyone.
It still boggles me that most bands never ever ever think of dynamics
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Post by snappinnecks on Jul 2, 2010 7:37:28 GMT -5
Why are you using the loop if you're not running anything through it and high volumes levels are apparently not an issue so there is no need to control the volume with the loop. I know this is a silly question but did you try it with the loop off? I can drop a rhino from 50 yds out with my '08 Nitro because it is that loud, the only thing that could possibly be louder is another Nitro. Dime the mids and kill the loop! Btw Snappinnecks my bud is still using your old Nitro and it sounds KILLER with the same tubes you shipped with it! I'm glad he still likes the amp. ;D |
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Post by sasquatch on Jul 2, 2010 13:53:43 GMT -5
Also when i got my amp I installed the power tubes but no preamp tubes I assumed they were already installed. Just thought I'd ask... did you bias the amp when you installed the tubes (assuming you were replacing existing PT's)? |
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Post by bigrandle on Jul 2, 2010 16:41:30 GMT -5
i did not bias the amp when i got it. I installed the power tubes that came with the amp and off I went. I figured scott and co. would bias the amp for the tubes they gave me before they shipped it to me. I do have to agree that turning down is in order. we like to play loud but there is no reason to play as loud as we do. Yes I do play in drop tuning (drop C). I have some things to think about and experiment with, I will get back to you guys if there are any changes or improvements with this issue.
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Post by bigrandle on Jul 2, 2010 21:33:06 GMT -5
issue solved! now i just need the $$ to fix it.
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Post by greglecompte on Jul 2, 2010 21:37:47 GMT -5
what was the problem?
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Post by bigrandle on Jul 2, 2010 21:54:21 GMT -5
It's the cab. I A/B'd my cab with another cab and found the issue. Comparing a 16ohm cab to a 8ohm cab is where i think the volume problem is coming from. EQ aside the 8ohm cab is significantly louder at the same volume as a 16ohm cab. 5150ii+8ohms vs Nitro+16ohm= Nitro has to push 2x as hard to keep up volume-wise. I always liked the splawn tone I was getting just didn't understand why i was not in the mix as much as I wanted to be. Well now I know. 8 ohms is the way to go!
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Post by TuskerKevin on Jul 3, 2010 12:28:23 GMT -5
I gigged last night and I really paid attention to keeping the stage volume down and controlling the sound through the board. It really does pay off in the end. I was told many times that we sounded great.
BTW - my new Streetrod rocked last night!!!
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