|
|
Post by greglecompte on Jul 3, 2010 16:09:04 GMT -5
It's the cab. I A/B'd my cab with another cab and found the issue. Comparing a 16ohm cab to a 8ohm cab is where i think the volume problem is coming from. EQ aside the 8ohm cab is significantly louder at the same volume as a 16ohm cab. 5150ii+8ohms vs Nitro+16ohm= Nitro has to push 2x as hard to keep up volume-wise. I always liked the splawn tone I was getting just didn't understand why i was not in the mix as much as I wanted to be. Well now I know. 8 ohms is the way to go! you know instead of buying a new cab u could just rewire it to be 8 ohm stereo and run it like that so you wouldn't half to spend more money |
|
|
|
Post by splawndude on Jul 3, 2010 22:07:22 GMT -5
It's the cab. I A/B'd my cab with another cab and found the issue. Comparing a 16ohm cab to a 8ohm cab is where i think the volume problem is coming from. EQ aside the 8ohm cab is significantly louder at the same volume as a 16ohm cab. 5150ii+8ohms vs Nitro+16ohm= Nitro has to push 2x as hard to keep up volume-wise. I always liked the splawn tone I was getting just didn't understand why i was not in the mix as much as I wanted to be. Well now I know. 8 ohms is the way to go! I'm glad you found the issue but I seriously doubt anyone can hear a volume difference in 8 vs 16 ohms. I know Ayton might disagree with me on that. Maybe a slight tonal difference but not volume. I mean, were the two cabs exactly the same with the same speakers? |
|
|
|
Post by bigrandle on Jul 4, 2010 1:04:25 GMT -5
No, the cabs were not exactly the same. However there was a very noticeable amount of volume increase to the 8 ohm cab as opposed to the 16 ohm cab. I know with different speakers you get different tonal qualities that could either help or hurt my cause. Like I said before I like my tone I am just looking for more push in volume without a solo boost, eq in the loop, or any other gizmo. I will probably end up getting my cab rewired to 8 ohms, my wife would shoot me if i bought another cab. Thanks for all the responses and I am open to hear more if you got em.
|
|
|
|
Post by greglecompte on Jul 4, 2010 13:44:56 GMT -5
u can probably do it yourself its not that hard i think its solder-less depending on the cab and u can find a wiring diagram and ohm calculator on line
|
|
|
|
Post by rocknrolla on Jul 12, 2010 12:08:24 GMT -5
Keep in mind also that the 8 ohm cab may have had more efficient speakers in it. V30's are a lot more efficient than say a greenback. I'll bet thats where the volume increase came from.
|
|
ksefan
Junior Member
Posts: 69
|
Post by ksefan on Jul 14, 2010 13:46:05 GMT -5
add more mids. or get an overdrive boost (maxon od808) because they will add more mids and make the upper high registry sing a little more. or switch your emgs out to bare knuckle pain killers. or do all of that  |
|
|
|
Post by infernalservice on Jul 14, 2010 19:57:22 GMT -5
I have guitars loaded with both BKP painkillers and emg 81s. To my ears they both have similar mid characteristics. A nice upper mid spike that compliments the Nitro well. What I do to help cut through the mix is employ the above mentioned maxon od808 out front and one of those old MXR 6 band eq's in the loop. I have an original one for recording and a reisssue one I modded with an input for a power supply (they only are powered by a 9 volt stock). It doesn't have a bypass button, but it sounds so good I never would bypass it anyway!
|
|
|
|
Post by bigrandle on Jul 22, 2010 20:51:22 GMT -5
I have uncovered a little more of my problem with some tests to my cab and a little internet research. I went to practice on tuesday with an ohm meter that I had borrowed from work. I tested my cab to see if anything would be out of the normal. Tested it and it read out 7.1-7.2 which caused a little concern. Then after a little internet research I found out that Marshall made two different versions of my cab. One version has 70w re-labeled 16ohm V30's, and the other has the 100w 8 ohm G12K-100's. I have phyiscally opened up my cab and saw the k100's. So knowing that it leads me to believe i have been running my amp on the wrong ohm setting the whole time i've owned it! However I am still going to pull the grill off my cab and bump test all my speakers to make sure none are blown or out of phase just to be 100%. Also, directly on the back of my cab is the label(280w RMS, 16ohms) for the other cab! Shame on marshall for mixing this up. Im wonding how many other cabs are like this? I guess also shame on me for not noticing or putting two and two together. Anyway, let me know what you guys think. Maybe everybody was right and marshall is to blame.
|
|
|
|
Post by shredheadjhj on Jul 24, 2010 3:43:31 GMT -5
You probably just need a Splawn 4x12 (or even 2x12) cab with Eminence Governors and Manowars, and maybe new tubes. Your Splawn should be way louder than a 5150 dude. Like twice as loud. He should be at noon while you're on 9 o'clock... Besides that, it sounds like you're going overkill on all the EQ's, but it might just be routed in a cab or tube problem. Everything you said sounds unrealistic IMO, so there's gotta be another problem.
|
|
|
|
Post by Lewis on Jul 24, 2010 7:11:40 GMT -5
I agree with shredheadjhj. You should be able to steam roll that peavey with very little effort, my Nitro would....  |
|
