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Post by WERNER1 on Jul 13, 2008 12:47:40 GMT -5
I bought a couple of BB sized boxes from Small Bear Electronics ...one in white, and one in Black,... I'm going to try it out this week when I have time to make the boxes up... (25K pots - CTS, and switchcraft jacks  ) I'll end up painting racing stripes on them as well so they match my new Splawn 1/2 Stack!! |
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Post by WERNER1 on Jul 18, 2008 13:56:39 GMT -5
Ok... my 25K pots finally came in,... I ended up waiting a bit as I wanted to use CTS pots in stead of some Alpha's or what not,.. Anyway... here's the completed "Box" ..      I only got to try it out for a minute,...but it does what it's supposed to I guess.... I'm going to have to do an A/B/C comparison test between the Raw amp,.. my Weber Attenuator, and the new Volume Box... I wonder how that will all pan out... Oh,.. and I'm going to add some lables on it as well for In/Out, and Min / Max ...or something like that ....just ran out of time... Rick |
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Post by metaltronixmike on Jul 23, 2008 16:46:45 GMT -5
Hey Werner,
I like your volume box a lot. Do you have an update on it's performance? I was looking at your diagram, no ground?
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Post by fastredponycar on Jul 25, 2008 13:06:09 GMT -5
I'm also going to be testing out a few various volume pots. 25k, 250k, 500k and 1 meg
along with several different capacitors of various values to test out various level of treble bleed.
Might be here this weekend, if not, I'll post updates next week.
anyways, I've got a pair of passive EB volume pedals and I'll say that although I realize the power section isn't being saturated like it is with no vp, the tone is MUCH better attenuated with the VP than just straight.
I guess the preamp saturation that I assume we ARE getting is what contributes to the tone smoothing out some?
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Post by WERNER1 on Jul 25, 2008 13:32:11 GMT -5
Yeah,...no ground needed on this one... well there's the ground through the sleave ... but nothing needed from the pot case to anywhere... Update,... I'm diggin' it so far,... I'm able to run my QR's Lead Channel Volume around 9:30'ish and the Volume Box pot is up around 9:00 as well.... that's maybe just a bit over Bedroom Level,..but it's wonderfull for some "normal" volume recording  I tried the volume box in conjunction with my Weber attenuator,..but that just seemed to dull the tone too much for my likings. Here's my first "Test Clip" using this set up .... It's the Solo'ing sections over the top of LordToneKing's new Song that he posted over in the clips section ... No EQ'ing what so ever,... and the effects are just a single Boss RV-3 in the loop infront of the Volume box. www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=410286&songID=6750309Rick |
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Post by metaltronixmike on Jul 25, 2008 14:45:12 GMT -5
Ok. Have you done comparisons with different value pots? If so, does the 25k value really stand out? Thanks.
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Post by WERNER1 on Jul 25, 2008 16:09:52 GMT -5
I thought someone here had already done the test between the different pots and determined that the 25K was the best and most neutral sounding one of the bunch (  ) .. I have all the pots here,... so I could to that... |
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Post by metaltronixmike on Jul 25, 2008 16:33:29 GMT -5
Yes, I think someone did. I was wondering if you came to any other conclusion. BTW, real nice clip.
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Post by SonicExplorer on Jul 25, 2008 18:37:52 GMT -5
Rick,
It would be really helpful if you could do a before-n-after clip - without the pedal and then with the pedal. May require some volume adjustments, but it would be interesting to hear an example of what the pedal-trick does to the tone.
Sonic
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Post by WERNER1 on Jul 25, 2008 18:40:16 GMT -5
Thanks for you thoughts on that clip...I was mostly trying not to embarrass my self  ... I actually bought enough parts to make two of the boxes as I wanted to have one for my Carvin Legacy 1/2 Stack as well... only that one will be black... I'll be out of town most of next week,.. but when I get back, I'll build it and I'll do a test (and clip) showing the differences between the effect and tone of each pot... Should be a good time Rick |
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Post by fastredponycar on Jul 26, 2008 8:22:35 GMT -5
I've tried wiring up all the pots I've got with all the resistors and I really haven't been able to get any of them to work the way my EB VP's work.
It's either barely audible with the knob rolled all the way back or full blast when I barely crack the volume knob.
Audio taper, linear taper, 250K, 500K, 1meg, etc... they all are acting the exact same way. It's either all or nothing (volume wise)
Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Is it just the fact that it HAS to have a 25K pot to work right? If so, then I wonder why some of the VP's come with 250k and 500k pots...
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Post by Ayton(e) on Jul 26, 2008 10:54:59 GMT -5
Rick, It would be really helpful if you could do a before-n-after clip - without the pedal and then with the pedal. May require some volume adjustments, but it would be interesting to hear an example of what the pedal-trick does to the tone. Sonic Somewhere, Windsen has a song recorded with the loop trick, then a later recording of the same song with no attenuation. He put it up on Harmony Central, and everybody, including me, preferred the raw version. Using the loop trick makes it easier to play and easier to get a warm sound at low volume, but it flattens some dynamics. The attenuated clip still sounded great, but the raw version sounded more alive. You could hear it right away. |
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Post by WERNER1 on Jul 26, 2008 11:02:57 GMT -5
Yeah,.. I can tell that myself right away as well... but I bet if he recorded it at that same volume level .... (I'd assume that it was like Bedroom volume or just a hair over...) .. that the Raw tone would actually be a bit thinner sounding as the Lead channels volume would only be on like "1" ... or less (??) ... The QR needs to get up to like 2 or 3 (8:00 / 9:00) to become "Full" sounding...
I'm going to do a test with a db meter and all the different options ... we'll see...
Drew - Mine comes on pretty quick as well... which I don't like or get! ... but it still works for what it's being used for ... just not as smooth as I thought it'd be. (??)
Rick
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Post by windsen on Jul 26, 2008 11:08:12 GMT -5
Somewhere, Windsen has a song recorded with the loop trick, then a later recording of the same song with no attenuation. He put it up on Harmony Central, and everybody, including me, preferred the raw version. Using the loop trick makes it easier to play and easier to get a warm sound at low volume, but it flattens some dynamics. The attenuated clip still sounded great, but the raw version sounded more alive. You could hear it right away. Yea, the raw clip did sound better. But you also have to keep in mind that the raw clip was with the volume at like 9:00, which as you know is crazy loud already. The FX loop trick overall volume was like TV volume. One thing I've noticed is that when using the volume pedal trick, if you're running the pedal at lower volumes, the dynamics do get choked a bit and things do darken up a little. As you open up the pedal, the dynamics come back and the overall bite comes back. I find that if I'm playing late at night at low volumes, i'll just dialin a bit more presence to help with this. Also, those clips I made with done using my 250K pot volume pedal, which a bit more muffled compared to the 25K pot volume pedals that I'm now using. The 25k pot one does help to preserve the dynamics a bit better at lower volumes. There is no substitute for letting these amps run wide open but I'm still very satisfied running a 25k pot volume pedal in the loop for late night playing. |
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Post by WERNER1 on Jul 26, 2008 11:27:39 GMT -5
Looks like you just saved me from doing a lot of test! I'll probably still do a few test clips as that's kind of what I do ... Don't gig out anymore so I'm stuck doing some usless wanking over everybody else's tracks and testing tones of basically everything  Rick |
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I tried the volume box in conjunction with my Weber attenuator,..but that just seemed to dull the tone too much for my likings. 
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