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Post by cvogue on May 28, 2017 21:10:06 GMT -5
So what in your opinion is the best mix of channel volume and effects loop volume? I know ideally you have the loop volume all the way up... but if your channel volume is anything past 8:00 it's too darn loud. So, what do you find is the best mix? The higher the channel volume the more the tubes are working, but too much attenuation in the loop can sap the tone. Not enough channel volume and the tone is also less awesome. Reason I'm asking is that I had a gig last night and there were times the tone was wonderful but I was also being told to turn down, I just took the simple approach of turning down the loop volume but I wish I had more time to refine it. Tough to refine when bandmembers are giving you the stink eye and the audience is getting antsy?!  |
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Post by gtrjunior on May 28, 2017 21:36:32 GMT -5
Channel volume at 10-11 o'clock. Loop to taste.
You've mentioned the tone suck thing before....I don't get that. I don't hear much of a difference no matter where I have the loop volume set at.
I suppose it's possible that you're hearing more speaker break up with less loop volume being used thus resulting what you're perceiving as a brighter tone?
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Post by briman on May 28, 2017 21:47:57 GMT -5
My loop volume is at 12 o'clock and chanel volume 8 unless wife is not home......then it at 10 or 11 which is loud!
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Post by cvogue on May 29, 2017 13:47:10 GMT -5
Channel volume at 10-11 o'clock. Loop to taste. You've mentioned the tone suck thing before....I don't get that. I don't hear much of a difference no matter where I have the loop volume set at. I suppose it's possible that you're hearing more speaker break up with less loop volume being used thus resulting what you're perceiving as a brighter tone? Not sure, it's not really a tone suck as much as a difference between "Man that sounds freaking wonderful" and "Sounds really good but what happened to the oomph?" When it's wonderful it's too loud (according to band members) so I'm trying to get the best tone at a lower volume, just gotta find the balance between channel volume and loop volume and also want a decent boost from the solo button... |
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Post by gtrjunior on May 29, 2017 14:12:13 GMT -5
Maybe you need a dedicated Weber attenuator. He has one that supposedly puts back any highs that may get lost in the attenuation process. Idk.
Any tone differences I may perceive are probably just in my own ear...I can honestly say that almost every time I jam with people, at some point someone turns to me and says...holy sh*t that amp is a beast. So I know they aren't hearing something negative in it. But I know what you're saying....it always sounds good but you haven't found the glorious "sweet spot".
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Post by cvogue on May 29, 2017 15:35:29 GMT -5
Thing is I found the wonderful sweet spot at one time... should just find it again and work from there. I think it was first gear but might have been third.
On that note, how does third gear at lower gain sound vs first gear at higher gain?
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Post by gtrjunior on May 29, 2017 16:39:00 GMT -5
Couldn't tell ya....I keep it dimed. Lol. I use pedals for lower gain stuff.
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Post by cvogue on May 29, 2017 17:35:48 GMT -5
Couldn't tell ya....I keep it dimed. Lol. I use pedals for lower gain stuff. Lol! Yeah like you've said many times, gotta dial these in with your ears not eyes. Every other amp I've owned has turned into a noisy unusable mess with the gain way up, but this is a Splawn!  |
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Post by gtrjunior on May 30, 2017 4:26:30 GMT -5
Couldn't tell ya....I keep it dimed. Lol. I use pedals for lower gain stuff. Lol! Yeah like you've said many times, gotta dial these in with your ears not eyes. Every other amp I've owned has turned into a noisy unusable mess with the gain way up, but this is a Splawn! I run an ISP noise decimator g-string in the loop. That squashes any preamp noise. And because it tracks you're signal both in the loop and in front of the amp it does a better job of letting you roll you're volume knob back without unnecessarily clipping you're signal. |
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Post by cvogue on Jun 22, 2017 22:53:52 GMT -5
Putting this one over here too!
OK, did some redialing in of the amp:
First took out everything, pulled the cables out of the loop (send/return) no cable even hooked up. Plugged directly into the front bypassing all the up front stuff.
The Splawn magic was back! Other guitarist helped me dial things in, he knows tone and likes to tinker so I played and he adjusted things, basically we found that it's more important to have the channel volume up than the loop less attenuated, the Street Rod likes the channel volume up around 10 or better. He also bumped up the gain to 2-3:00 I had it on 1:00 before.
Sounded great... OK, so what up with the pedals. First step was to bring back in the loop. I put the whole chain in and it really didn't affect the tone much (I have an MXR EQ, Zoom G3 multi effect and a TC Spark boost) so I left everything in. I did find that setting the G3 to "passive" sounded a bit louder and better, makes sense, I have the Splawn loop set on -10dB for instrument level effects.
I realized then that I needed my tuner, so I put only the tuner in the chain in front of the amp, sounded good. I took out the wah and put everything else back in and it still sounded good. Didn't get a chance to put the wah back in the chain, didn't want to really since at this point we were practicing and they were getting a bit tired of my tonal experiments!
So, brought the wah home and tried it out with my little practice amp and also through my Boss Micro BR with headphones. There is tone suck there, subtle depending on the amp and tones involved, but sometimes it was very noticable. I've heard (I think from gtrjunior and others) that Splawns are pretty picky about buffered pedals, especially wah pedals.
Anyway I may get to practice early on Saturday (didn't bring my amp home, too damn heavy!) and bring the wah and see what it does given the new settings etc... Or, just forget about the wah and enjoy my new tone!
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Post by splawndude on Aug 2, 2017 12:26:09 GMT -5
This thread is in regards to the Soldano SLO but I found it interesting none the less, especially the second page. Thought I'd share it with you guys. I was never really a SLO fanboi but I love the tone I hear on some of my favorite records. I'm guessing it was because I couldn't crank it up. I was pretty thrilled with the Soldano Hot Rod 50 though. Not sure how the loop is set up on that amp. Funny though how people spend all of this money on a SLO only to have a so-so loop that needs to be modded. I think the loop on the Splawn is awesome and the fact that it comes with 4+/-10dB option built in is great. From what I'm reading, this becomes especially importnat in a non post phase inverter master volume amp - a feature both the Splawn and SLO share. www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=190679&start=50So although I can't really explain why, it starts to make more sense as to why the Splawns do not have an overall Master Volume. So now my question is, is the Splawn loop volume really the same as having a volume pedal in the loop or is there more to it? Anyone know? |
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Post by cvogue on Aug 3, 2017 18:50:14 GMT -5
I did a bunch of Googling on this a while back and there wasn't much but I do seem to remember that the loop volume control had more to it than just a volume pedal capability. There is some Splawn secret sauce in there. Maybe shoot an email to Scott?
A lot of people would like to know this I'd think. It's a good feature and if there's more to it than just a volume pedal type of circuit that could be a good marketing point. But there's also the idea of Scott not wanting his IP known too widely if he does indeed put something special in the loop volume control.
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Post by gtrjunior on Aug 3, 2017 19:37:16 GMT -5
There's actually a lot of past talk here in the forum regarding it.
A while back a did a search on it and yes, there was a lot of speculation about it being more than just a volume control.
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Post by splawndude on Aug 3, 2017 21:37:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I've read through most of those threads I think and it is still pretty inconclusive.
The SLO thread got me thinking about it again.
What I gathered is the the 'Loop Mod' on the SLO improves the Loop but the tone suffers.
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Post by gtrjunior on Aug 4, 2017 5:06:53 GMT -5
Yup, I read through the thread you posted as well and that's what I got as well. Although I have no experience with those amps, it seems the loop is less than ideal for most of the players.
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