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Post by TuskerKevin on Jan 31, 2010 12:53:31 GMT -5
Hey!
OK, so I have a bunch of guitars, but my main practice guitar is a cheap guitar with a EVH Duncan (see my picture). The other guitar that I use regularly is an EVH Wolfgang that I have also placed an EVH Duncan into. The amp I play at PRACTICE is a Peavey XXX...which I like very much. The XXX combined with the cheap black and white guitar and Duncan EVH sounds great. The Wolfgang with the XXX is great. However, the black and white guitar with the Quickrod just doesn't have the gain that I want.
Now remember, the only difference is the actual guitar wood. Basswood in the Wolfgang versus God knows what in the Cheapy. The pickups are the same.
Anyone have any ideas why the Wolfgang sounds WAY better into the QR than the cheapy guitar...both with the same pickups??
Could the wood make that much of a difference? The only other thing I can think of is that the pickup in the cheapy is set lower than the Wolfgang physically, so since it is farther from the strings I know that can alter the gain.....
Thanks!
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Post by splatter on Jan 31, 2010 13:24:24 GMT -5
The wood will alter the tone but shouldn't alter the amount of gain unless maybe its made from plywood . Then I think the lack of mass may alter the gain .
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Post by sasquatch on Jan 31, 2010 13:42:17 GMT -5
 Strange... I have no idea what might be going on there. If nothing else, maybe add a clean boost (if you don't already use one) to your pedal board and kick it in for a little more "umph" when using the cheapy guitar. If you do figure this out, please let us know. Sounds like a case for Sherlock Holmes! 
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Post by sbk on Jan 31, 2010 14:54:24 GMT -5
Hey! OK, so I have a bunch of guitars, but my main practice guitar is a cheap guitar with a EVH Duncan (see my picture). The other guitar that I use regularly is an EVH Wolfgang that I have also placed an EVH Duncan into. The amp I play at PRACTICE is a Peavey XXX...which I like very much. The XXX combined with the cheap black and white guitar and Duncan EVH sounds great. The Wolfgang with the XXX is great. However, the black and white guitar with the Quickrod just doesn't have the gain that I want. Now remember, the only difference is the actual guitar wood. Basswood in the Wolfgang versus God knows what in the Cheapy. The pickups are the same. Anyone have any ideas why the Wolfgang sounds WAY better into the QR than the cheapy guitar...both with the same pickups?? Could the wood make that much of a difference? The only other thing I can think of is that the pickup in the cheapy is set lower than the Wolfgang physically, so since it is farther from the strings I know that can alter the gain..... Thanks! My guess is that IT IS the basswood bodied wolfgang.Alot of people dont care for basswood because of its ultra light weight and softness,but for guys like EVH,Petrucci,Vai,Satriani,etc...they swear buy it.My HP special sounds absolutely huge through my nitro.I dont have a quickrod,so this is just my guess.I would not think that it would matter between the two.Acoustically,my basswood bodied HP sounds empty,but plug it in and BAM!!! My LP Standard sounded completely weak compared to it.My other guitars are mahogany and I have either modded the pots,lowered pickups,treble bleed,etc...to get them as close to the HP as possible.Anyway,just my two cents. |
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Post by TuskerKevin on Jan 31, 2010 18:38:59 GMT -5
Thanks all! It really is strange...I love the cheapy thru the XXX....but is a bit weak with the QR....not the Wolfgang though...it rips thru the QR....hmmmmmmm... ;-)
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Post by LordToneKing on Jan 31, 2010 20:05:11 GMT -5
I have the same issue...kind of. My main guitar is an EBMM Axis (basswood) and I love the tone I get with that guitar and my QR. My other guitar is an EBMM Silhouette (ash) and I've tried a couple different pups and I cant seem to get it to jive with my QR. Gain is not the problem but rather the sustain of chords or notes ...just seems to choke off too quickly. It's hard to explain.. |
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Post by TuskerKevin on Jan 31, 2010 20:22:24 GMT -5
I have the same issue...kind of. My main guitar is an EBMM Axis (basswood) and I love the tone I get with that guitar and my QR. My other guitar is an EBMM Silhouette (ash) and I've tried a couple different pups and I cant seem to get it to jive with my QR. Gain is not the problem but rather the sustain of chords or notes ...just seems to choke off too quickly. It's hard to explain.. That is exactly it! ......like notes and chords are dying on the vine...... |
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Post by LordToneKing on Jan 31, 2010 20:49:09 GMT -5
I have the same issue...kind of. My main guitar is an EBMM Axis (basswood) and I love the tone I get with that guitar and my QR. My other guitar is an EBMM Silhouette (ash) and I've tried a couple different pups and I cant seem to get it to jive with my QR. Gain is not the problem but rather the sustain of chords or notes ...just seems to choke off too quickly. It's hard to explain.. That is exactly it! ......like notes and chords are dying on the vine...... well, I haven't figured it out yet either bro I really like my Silo but it rarely gets played because of that very reason. Maybe your other axe is ash and ash just sucks?? ;D Who knows? I'm just gonna keep on searching for answers. My next step was buying a bigger brass or titanium block. let me know if you find anything else out, cool? |
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Post by Ayton(e) on Jan 31, 2010 22:15:09 GMT -5
What is the bridge of each guitar?
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Post by LordToneKing on Feb 1, 2010 8:43:02 GMT -5
What is the bridge of each guitar? Both my guitars have original MusicMan Floyds. The Axis is dive only and the Silo floats...although I did block it for a while but it didnt make a difference |
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Post by shreder75 on Feb 1, 2010 9:06:46 GMT -5
I thought vai's signature white guitar is alder?
anywho, could be a bad piece of wood.....I had an EBMM JP6 that was basswood and no matter what pickups I had it in it always sounded like twangy ass through my QR..
and remember, the QR is less saturated than something like the XXX..with all that saturation on tap in the XXX you can mask the nature of a particular guitar...
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Post by LordToneKing on Feb 1, 2010 9:21:57 GMT -5
I thought vai's signature white guitar is alder? anywho, could be a bad piece of wood.....I had an EBMM JP6 that was basswood and no matter what pickups I had it in it always sounded like twangy ass through my QR.. and remember, the QR is less saturated than something like the XXX..with all that saturation on tap in the XXX you can mask the nature of a particular guitar... I have a jp6 also and that thing sounds like a$$ through anything. I hate those friggin pickups! (older model) Nice acoustic type clean though in the center position  |
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Post by shreder75 on Feb 1, 2010 9:59:10 GMT -5
I thought vai's signature white guitar is alder? anywho, could be a bad piece of wood.....I had an EBMM JP6 that was basswood and no matter what pickups I had it in it always sounded like twangy ass through my QR.. and remember, the QR is less saturated than something like the XXX..with all that saturation on tap in the XXX you can mask the nature of a particular guitar... I have a jp6 also and that thing sounds like a$$ through anything. I hate those friggin pickups! (older model) Nice acoustic type clean though in the center position yep..even swapping the pickups didn't help it!!! friggin' thing wouldn' stay in tune for love or money either..that was the last EBMM guitar I'll ever own... I know alotta people dig them...and their fit and finish is top notch....but I don't like the fact that they're direct mounted pickups..puttin gin something deeper like a duncan involved routing out the fookin' pickup cavity.... |
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Post by chrismac on Feb 1, 2010 10:03:18 GMT -5
buy a LP....throw in some Rio's....problem solved.  |
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Post by Ayton(e) on Feb 1, 2010 10:59:44 GMT -5
What is the bridge of each guitar? Both my guitars have original MusicMan Floyds. The Axis is dive only and the Silo floats...although I did block it for a while but it didnt make a difference Oops, that was to Kev! Say if one was fixed bridge and one was a trem, or both were trems but one had a fatass brass block. I think Shred has the right idea, amp wise. With all the XXX's saturation, I bet you could string up a garden spade and it would sound the same. The Splawn has always been very revealing about everything you feed it, and I think in this case it's letting you hear why one is a generic mystery wood budgetcaster and one is a nice Californian instrument. Comparing pickup heights and adjusting as necessary might help, though. Been thinking about getting one of these 78 Duncans lately. |
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Strange... I have no idea what might be going on there. If nothing else, maybe add a clean boost (if you don't already use one) to your pedal board and kick it in for a little more "umph" when using the cheapy guitar. If you do figure this out, please let us know. Sounds like a case for Sherlock Holmes! 
