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Post by montyl93 on Aug 18, 2009 13:43:06 GMT -5
Hey everyone, back in april or so i was debating about getting a nitro but got pointed in the direction of the pro mod. so i came across a pro mod at a guitar center in north jersey used. I played it and really loved the tones I was getting, then i heard about the competition. and now that im about ablee to order and my skills are more improved, i need to make my decision.
So to my knowledge the competition is essentially a one channel (overdrive) 50 watt QR or PM depending on the tubes. I was thinking about a competition with kt88's and a matching 2x12 witth x loaded bb and sb speakers.
So beings that ive never played a competion how do the two compare tone wise. I mean the lower wattage would mean less headroom even with the kt 88's and there isnt a seperate clean, but thoose arent really problems because i figure with less power i can run it open and use 1st gear with volume rolled back for a decent clean since i dont really use super high output pickups and i like my cleans a bit hairy.
I play mostly hard rock and metal anything from old school to the newer heavier stuff and my main guitars are a gibson lp standard and an ibanez x series with a tele on the side for other stuff. As far as my needs, i like a big tight sound with punch and nice cut. I know out of the few splawns ive played, they all deliver. also will the comp have enough gain for thee modern tones?
In essence, for my needs, what would be the better amp, Pro mod or Competition? I appreciate any and all help. Thanks.
-Monty
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Post by DonaldDemon on Aug 18, 2009 15:46:55 GMT -5
Will you be gigging with the amp? If so I recommend the Pro Mod. If it's just for jamming at home then go with the Comp. Where in NJ did you see the Pro Mod, New Brunswick?
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Post by montyl93 on Aug 18, 2009 16:28:20 GMT -5
Well it'd be mostly for home use and jamming with friends. I do practice with my band, but as of now we do like maybe a show every few months so yes I'd be gigging but not nearly as much as I'd be playing at home. and it was at a guitar canter in paramus. I was thinking about picking it up used since it was a steal (around 800) but when i went back two days llater. it was gone. so somebody lucked out
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Post by DonaldDemon on Aug 19, 2009 8:05:11 GMT -5
Well it'd be mostly for home use and jamming with friends. I do practice with my band, but as of now we do like maybe a show every few months so yes I'd be gigging but not nearly as much as I'd be playing at home. and it was at a guitar canter in paramus. I was thinking about picking it up used since it was a steal (around 800) but when i went back two days llater. it was gone. so somebody lucked out  That's crazy! $800 is definitely a steal. Sometimes GC has no idea what they have if it's not mainstream companies. Well a Comp will sound great but won't have quite as much low end thump as a 100 watt Pro Mod. If you are not playing brutal metal that shouldn't be a problem. It will still have plenty of low end just not as much headroom. I would think the Comp would be best for your uses. |
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Post by H. on Aug 19, 2009 12:53:15 GMT -5
If it's just for jamming at home then go with the Comp. Huh?  |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Aug 19, 2009 14:38:08 GMT -5
If it's just for jamming at home then go with the Comp. Huh? less wattage? |
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Post by montyl93 on Aug 19, 2009 16:56:13 GMT -5
Yeah that'll be fine. i mean mainly its my LP with mahogany and humbuckers and i do drop tune for the heavier stuff so theres some "natural" low end but i dont play the really brutal stuff. if i was looking for that, i think i wouldve stuck with the nitro.I'm not a real bottom end freak so I'm sure I'll be happy. Thanks for everything. and yeah I second that about guitar center. the guy was like "it looks kind of like a low end bogner" ha. one last question, the footswitch on the comp has the solo boost and od1/od2 but does the third button allow for gear change on the fly?
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Post by LooseCannon on Aug 19, 2009 20:06:24 GMT -5
Yeah the third button is for changing between 1st and 2nd, or 3rd and 2nd gears.
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Post by montyl93 on Aug 20, 2009 12:05:01 GMT -5
Perfect. looks like i've decided. if all goes well i should be ordering soon. and as far as gig volumes, i can always throw an sm57 on the cab i guess. Thanks everyone!
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Post by DonaldDemon on Aug 20, 2009 13:00:33 GMT -5
Perfect. looks like i've decided. if all goes well i should be ordering soon. and as far as gig volumes, i can always throw an sm57 on the cab i guess. Thanks everyone! Oh trust me, you'll have plenty of volume for gigging!! Splawns never lack on volume that's for sure!  Congrats man, hope you like it.  |
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Post by H. on Aug 20, 2009 14:44:52 GMT -5
Word! Even the comp has volume to spare. Which one did you choose?
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Post by ronmail65 on Aug 24, 2009 10:51:15 GMT -5
I currently own a ProMod and a Competition with KT77s. Here's my assessment of the 2 amps.
TONE AND GAIN:
With the PM on the gain channel, the amps sound almost identical.
WATTAGE AND VOLUME:
Both amps are extremely loud. If you're looking for more volume control, the Competition is only marginally better -- it is still very loud, even at half power. I gig regularly and these amps never get past 9 o'clock on the volume knob. IMO, both amps are plenty loud for any application. My only complaint is that neither amp is quiet enough for some applications.
FEATURES:
IMO, this would be the only differentiating factor in your decision. PM has a clean channel - Comp does not. Comp has a limited Gear Switching on the footswitch (Gear 2 to Gear 1 OR Gear 2 to Gear 3) - PM does not. The half power switch on the Comp (which is actually a Pentode / Triode switch) does not require any ohms load adjustment - half power on PM requires ohms adjustment to half the cabinet load (can't run the PM at half power with a single 4 ohm cabinet, or with two 8 ohm cabs).
That's about it. In my experience, it is a features based decision. For me, I don't want to give up the clean channel on the PM so my Comp is for sale.
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Post by DonaldDemon on Aug 24, 2009 15:09:14 GMT -5
I currently own a ProMod and a Competition with KT77s. Here's my assessment of the 2 amps. TONE AND GAIN: With the PM on the gain channel, the amps sound almost identical. WATTAGE AND VOLUME: Both amps are extremely loud. If you're looking for more volume control, the Competition is only marginally better -- it is still very loud, even at half power. I gig regularly and these amps never get past 9 o'clock on the volume knob. IMO, both amps are plenty loud for any application. My only complaint is that neither amp is quiet enough for some applications. FEATURES: IMO, this would be the only differentiating factor in your decision. PM has a clean channel - Comp does not. Comp has a limited Gear Switching on the footswitch (Gear 2 to Gear 1 OR Gear 2 to Gear 3) - PM does not. The half power switch on the Comp (which is actually a Pentode / Triode switch) does not require any ohms load adjustment - half power on PM requires ohms adjustment to half the cabinet load (can't run the PM at half power with a single 4 ohm cabinet, or with two 8 ohm cabs). That's about it. In my experience, it is a features based decision. For me, I don't want to give up the clean channel on the PM so my Comp is for sale. Ronmail65, Which version of the PM do you have? Does yours have the updated clean channel (4th preamp tube)? I just wonder when people make comparisons which version they have. Mine has no updated clean channel. I agree with your post BTW, 50 to 100 watts is still friggin LOUD |
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Post by H. on Aug 24, 2009 20:45:00 GMT -5
I currently own a ProMod and a Competition with KT77s. Here's my assessment of the 2 amps. TONE AND GAIN: With the PM on the gain channel, the amps sound almost identical. WATTAGE AND VOLUME: Both amps are extremely loud. If you're looking for more volume control, the Competition is only marginally better -- it is still very loud, even at half power. I gig regularly and these amps never get past 9 o'clock on the volume knob. IMO, both amps are plenty loud for any application. My only complaint is that neither amp is quiet enough for some applications. FEATURES: IMO, this would be the only differentiating factor in your decision. PM has a clean channel - Comp does not. Comp has a limited Gear Switching on the footswitch (Gear 2 to Gear 1 OR Gear 2 to Gear 3) - PM does not. The half power switch on the Comp (which is actually a Pentode / Triode switch) does not require any ohms load adjustment - half power on PM requires ohms adjustment to half the cabinet load (can't run the PM at half power with a single 4 ohm cabinet, or with two 8 ohm cabs). That's about it. In my experience, it is a features based decision. For me, I don't want to give up the clean channel on the PM so my Comp is for sale. This is what I was trying to say in my earlier post when I said "huh"?...  |
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Post by ronmail65 on Aug 25, 2009 10:36:12 GMT -5
Ronmail65, Which version of the PM do you have? Does yours have the updated clean channel (4th preamp tube)? I just wonder when people make comparisons which version they have. Mine has no updated clean channel. I agree with your post BTW, 50 to 100 watts is still friggin LOUD Both amps are 2 years old or less. The PM does have the new clean channel. |
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