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Post by LooseCannon on Apr 16, 2009 16:17:03 GMT -5
Hey TJ 1 minute ago the Flying Dragon was the ultimate splawn boost wasn't it? How well does the DOD work for distortion over a clean amp? Or is it only light OD into a clean amp?
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Post by TJ on Apr 16, 2009 16:23:02 GMT -5
Hey TJ 1 minute ago the Flying Dragon was the ultimate splawn boost wasn't it? How well does the DOD work for distortion over a clean amp? Or is it only light OD into a clean amp? The Flying dragon is the Ultimate boost. I'm not using this as a boost. This is an OD pedal.
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Post by jesusdriven on Apr 21, 2009 14:04:53 GMT -5
You want the pink LED? I've mentioned to everyone asking about the mods that all colors are available including pink, but oddly enough, no one has wanted pink! ;D Blue is most popular and then purple and green. The green LEDs I've been using are really good in that they can be easily seen, even in bright sunlight for those outdoor daytime gigs. VERY bright. There's not a real benefit to modding a 250 over a 308 other than I noticed that A. The 250 enclosure is easier to drill and B. The 250 circuit card, while laid out identically, seems a bit more robust. Probably has something to do with production runs. I am now caught up on the 308s... Whew. Let me know when you're ready! I hope you will do a demo. I am the worst guy at capturing the guitar tones I am hearing. It's extraordinarily frustrating. I'll be hearing something from my old Marshalls and pedals that I just love, thinking, "oh yeah, this is it" and on playback, it sounds like a DOD American Metal pedal through a Gorilla amp... How in the world does this happen??? LOL! I was given some tips by a Nashville studio engineer about mic placement, but man, I am so busy that I've just not had the time to sit and experiment with mic placement, different mics, etc. So if you can come up with a demo, I'd love that. Hi Outlier, I know I talked to you about getting one of your modded YJM 308 pedals a little while ago, but I had some unexpected expenses come up which included sending my Quick Rod back to Scott for repair. My beloved Vision Music modded DOD YJM 308 has decided to take a dive on me and it now sounds like I have a blown speaker when I play power chords. I have thought about getting the Analogman MOJO mod version of the pedal, but I am sure that yours will whoop it. I don't think I got a price from you for a new YJM pedal. I would prefer to buy a new pedal from you rather then send you one to mod. You can PM me with the information if you like. Thanks again.
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Post by TJ on Apr 21, 2009 14:59:48 GMT -5
Hay-soos! you will love Outlier's mod. It's killer!
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Post by jesusdriven on Apr 21, 2009 15:16:04 GMT -5
Hay-soos! you will love Outlier's mod. It's killer! I plan to get one and I will probably get the Analogman Mojo Mod version eventually also. The Grey 250 type pedals work best for me for the stuff that I am into. I want to get a nice collection of the cream of the crop for the Grey 250 mods. I have only heard rave reviews concerning Outlier's pedal and I can't wait to own one. I just got an email from Jason Whitt at Vision Music asking me to send my broken pedal to him for repair. He was really cool about it and said that he will cover the return shipping costs. I just bought another one of his pedals that I saw listed on ebay today for a back up. His seller name is RWhitt. I have not seen one of his pedals listed for a long time. I love my Vision Music pedal and I consider it a huge blessing to get mine fixed plus get a second one.
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Post by outlier on Apr 21, 2009 16:14:59 GMT -5
TJ, again, thanks for the kind words!
Jesusdriven, PM sent.
I believe my modification goes the furthest of anything I am aware in addressing the issues affecting the 308. It's not the same as the others ... and if I might say, I think it sounds smoother. As I always say, my benchmark for this was the old Yngwie tone and in prototyping these mods, I used Strats, particularly my YJM Strat. I believe I have attained the sound I was shooting for.
Just so there's no confusion, I am starting to get PMs on another message board and emails asking if pedals on eBay are mine. They are not and to date, I have never sold any pedals on eBay. I've never had to as every pedal I purchase and modify was spoken for. I am considering eBay sales and may in the future.
I think I'm going to buy some more pedals and may give it a shot.
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Post by outlier on May 5, 2009 10:25:53 GMT -5
Sometimes ... only pink will do. Ayton, here's your 308, ready to ship! ;D
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Post by TJ on May 5, 2009 10:27:33 GMT -5
Ayton u will love that pedal in conjunction with your Splawn. Especially since you're a strat player. :-)
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Post by Ayton(e) on May 5, 2009 11:04:03 GMT -5
Aww, there's my little fella! Nice background, John. Can't wait to hear the little guy now that he's all fixed up. Plexi setting on the Splawn, YJM Strat, this pedal, and my new Greenback? Woo, mama, that should sound good. Loving the big pink LED. My feeling is that these 5mm pink LEDs will be recognized, in time, as the tone grail.
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Post by outlier on May 5, 2009 11:29:50 GMT -5
'Tis true in that other thread. I don't aim to blueprint a pedal to the schematic as that was only one variation of several back then.
I used to have a very good friend at Maxon, and we corresponded very extensively over the years. Sadly, he died a few years ago from cancer and is definitely missed. One of the most stand-out things that I learned was that the variations on say, Tube Screamers in the late '70s were based on the price and availability of various 4558 chips as one example, and not based on any aural considerations that weren't thought to exist anyway. Engineers looked at spec sheets and if something looked good, or close enough, that's what went into the pedal.
I suspect something similar occured at DOD. Certainly, I have ID'd about four early variations (with sub-variations, so to speak) and experimented with all of them. My modifications are based on what I believe to be the best-sounding of the bunch, one of their finest "happy accidents."
I've seen 250s with 430k resistors rather than 470k. Was this something based on something the engineers came up with ... or was it that someone came to work one day with a reel of 430k resistors and announced, "Hey, look what I got for two dollars!" to which someone replied, "Use 'em. That's close enough."
Funny thing, many years ago, I played with a guy who had one of those gray 250s and I definitely didn't like it. Thought it was nasty and harsh.
But about three years ago, I set out with the thought that there's something to this and I'm gonna determine what it is. Why does Yngwie sound a certain way and others don't with the same pedal?
I'll add that Yngwie does appear to be using the YJM308 quite a lot. This is especially apparent on Young Guitar DVDs issued in the last few years, if any of you have heard them.
Truth is, I also like the stock 308 for some things, but I know a lot of guys don't! ;D That said, I believe I've determined that the stock 308's harsher sound is not entirely due to the use of a .001 input cap, but due to other aspects as well and my modifications also reflect that. I'm not opposed to using a .001 cap if that's what someone wants (and there are those that do). I had a PM from former Yngwie manager Mike Spitzer who indicated that this was used at Yngwie's urging as Yngwie wanted a tighter sound for rhythms.
In any case, I believe I have finally nailed down the sound that I was looking for. Works for me and some other folks like it too, and for that I'm very grateful.
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Post by jesusdriven on May 5, 2009 14:45:37 GMT -5
'Tis true in that other thread. I don't aim to blueprint a pedal to the schematic as that was only one variation of several back then. I used to have a very good friend at Maxon, and we corresponded very extensively over the years. Sadly, he died a few years ago from cancer and is definitely missed. One of the most stand-out things that I learned was that the variations on say, Tube Screamers in the late '70s were based on the price and availability of various 4558 chips as one example, and not based on any aural considerations that weren't thought to exist anyway. Engineers looked at spec sheets and if something looked good, or close enough, that's what went into the pedal. I suspect something similar occured at DOD. Certainly, I have ID'd about four early variations (with sub-variations, so to speak) and experimented with all of them. My modifications are based on what I believe to be the best-sounding of the bunch, one of their finest "happy accidents." I've seen 250s with 430k resistors rather than 470k. Was this something based on something the engineers came up with ... or was it that someone came to work one day with a reel of 430k resistors and announced, "Hey, look what I got for two dollars!" to which someone replied, "Use 'em. That's close enough." Funny thing, many years ago, I played with a guy who had one of those gray 250s and I definitely didn't like it. Thought it was nasty and harsh. But about three years ago, I set out with the thought that there's something to this and I'm gonna determine what it is. Why does Yngwie sound a certain way and others don't with the same pedal? I'll add that Yngwie does appear to be using the YJM308 quite a lot. This is especially apparent on Young Guitar DVDs issued in the last few years, if any of you have heard them. Truth is, I also like the stock 308 for some things, but I know a lot of guys don't! ;D That said, I believe I've determined that the stock 308's harsher sound is not entirely due to the use of a .001 input cap, but due to other aspects as well and my modifications also reflect that. I'm not opposed to using a .001 cap if that's what someone wants (and there are those that do). I had a PM from former Yngwie manager Mike Spitzer who indicated that this was used at Yngwie's urging as Yngwie wanted a tighter sound for rhythms. In any case, I believe I have finally nailed down the sound that I was looking for. Works for me and some other folks like it too, and for that I'm very grateful. Thanks for the info Outlier. I want to get one of your pedals soon, but I have another piece of gear on my immediate radar. I just noticed that both you and Vision Music are located in Tennessee. Maybe Tennessee can start putting a picture of these pedals on state license plates since all the best pedals seem to be coming from their state. Just a Thought?
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Post by Ayton(e) on May 5, 2009 15:31:27 GMT -5
The Tone State. Man I want to visit Tennessee while we're here, but it'll have to be in winter as I wilt like a daisy in any heat.
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Post by Ayton(e) on May 8, 2009 16:04:00 GMT -5
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Post by jesusdriven on May 8, 2009 16:39:44 GMT -5
Except when I order one. Great Clip!
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Post by outlier on May 8, 2009 20:02:34 GMT -5
Pink LEDs sound the best...
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