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Post by supercharged350 on Jul 18, 2008 18:31:04 GMT -5
Sweet tone and wicked chops Ayton. Killer...
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Post by Jammermatt on Jul 20, 2008 2:17:32 GMT -5
Awesome Vid, Ayt. Great chops - love the vibrato also.
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Post by Jammermatt on Jul 20, 2008 2:22:33 GMT -5
Oh, and do a triode clip.
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Post by Ayton(e) on Jul 20, 2008 20:21:22 GMT -5
Matt, I already made a triode clip.  (That was with the old Eminence speakers though, and Lordy it sounds great with the new ones...) Your accent is wonderful and your playing is sweet also! See that, boys! The Splawn lady likes me. Make fun of my accent now you shrimpers! It's really nice to hear a few compliments on vibrato. I am super picky about vibrato when it comes to both singers and guitarists. In both cases it should be slow and wide. Never should it sound like a goat.  Cheers guys (and guyettes). |
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Post by H. on Jul 21, 2008 15:24:02 GMT -5
Thats awesome Ayton. Great playing!
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Post by Jammermatt on Dec 16, 2008 10:20:17 GMT -5
LOL. I love this clip and I had to dig it up again. Ayt, I'm thinking hard on getting an Avatar 2x12 with the V30/G12H30 combo (well, the Hellatone H30/H60 to be more specific). I get tired of carting my 2x12 over to rehearsal every week in my Honda Civic - it's starting to damage the tolex. I would probably just leave it over there, and maybe swap the Hellatones into my Splawn cab once they've properly broken in. Just wondering if you ever got around to trying that combo. Also, can you elaborate on the open back vs closed back thing. I'm hearing that the open back will have less punch but is looser. I'm wondering if Avatar can do a "convertible" back, or if I could modify one myself. BTW, I think there is at least two riffs in that clip, so give yourself some more credit! What I wouldn't do for those long spider fingers. The Good Lord blessed me with with fat and stubby - but they last a long time so I shouldn't complain much . I'm working on that accent, also. I'll probably nail the accent long before I can do a proper sweep. |
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Post by Ayton(e) on Dec 16, 2008 11:49:52 GMT -5
What a pleasant surprise to see this bumped, Jam, thanks. I have tried H30/Gold and V30/Gold but not H30/V30. I had played the Gold on its own for a few weeks and all I knew was, whatever combo I ended up with, it'd be in there somewhere! So I never tried just the H30/V30 together. However I do have those speakers here. If you can get Shrimper75 to be nice to me, I'll pop them into the Avatar and give you my probably meaningless subjective opinion. Tell me again what pickups you play and I'll try to use something close. On the open back, as with the Gold I don't tend to make textbook "metal" decisions. I went open back for what I hope is a looser, airier sound, with less beam-like focus. I may have read at the time that they also have less bass, which a plus for me but not for most palm muting monsters. The back is a simple one-piece panel; I'm sure for a small charge Dave would include both types for you. |
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Post by Jammermatt on Dec 16, 2008 12:22:27 GMT -5
Shrimper75 is dealous of your long digits - that's all there is to that.
I'm one of those palm muting monsters, so I'll probably go with the closed back, but might ask Dave if he can do a convertible, or I could just take the saw to it and tape up the frayed ends of tolex - I have no shame. Dave's shop is one state over, so when I ordered a cab from him way back it was here in under 4 days - simply amazing - and that was a custom cab. I had H30/H60 X-pattern in an Avatar cab at first It sounded good was my recollection, but I downsized to the Splawn because I had no need of a 4x12 and I was intrigued by the Big Blocks since I liked the H30 (G12H30) in the Avatar cab. I wished I had recorded them side by side or something, as I can't really remember in detail what the diff was except the Splawn cab had more punch - but that could be the 14" deep cab versus the 12" deep Avatar cab. Who the hell knows, there are just so many variables. The goal here is to scale back the mids and warm the amp up some, but do it on a reasonable budget. This sucker is bright.
Oh, I'm using a BBQ loaded LP and a JB Loaded Jackson Soloist, which I think I'll swap a BBQ into that one when I can.
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Post by Ayton(e) on Dec 16, 2008 13:37:44 GMT -5
So you already had this combo you're asking me to try out?  I suppose you were pretty baked on meds back then. Not sure a V30 will help scale back the mids, with their famous hump, but it may at least focus them somewhere you prefer. I have a BBQ in my MusicMan, so I'll use that. I'll also write "Dokken" on my shirt in magic marker and blow through a bottle of Vicodin to give you the best simulation I can. |
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Post by Jammermatt on Dec 16, 2008 16:27:54 GMT -5
That sounds cool - when you get a chance - don't need to make it a priority in life, I'm pretty patient.
My ears are not nearly as mature as alot of people's, so it takes me awhile to figure things out, and sometimes I don't figure it out until it's long gone. Also, having two small children it is very difficult to dedicate any real time to "listening" much less anything else. If a task takes longer than 5 minutes of total focus, I simply cannot do it before a fight breaks out or someone is needing something.
With that Avatar cabinet, I never had the chance to really open it up much. I was playing at home, and so it was too much cab for me at the time. It still would be too much since I can't transport a 4x12 very easily, and besides the last place we played we had to turn down (I ended up using 25 watt mode). The kid I sold it to loves it, though. My recollection is that it was a little browner than what I'm using, but didn't have as much punch and bottom end. But, I still think that it being 12" deep versus the 14" deep Splawn cab may have had something to do with that.
And remember, Dokken rhymes with Rokken.
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Post by supercharged350 on Dec 17, 2008 8:16:32 GMT -5
Cool to see this one resurface. Ayton's vibrato is only matched by his mad editing skillz. ;D
Killer vid...
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Post by Ayton(e) on Dec 17, 2008 14:51:12 GMT -5
Thanks SC! I say, if you're unsure what note to hit, get some big vibrato going and you'll get most of them in there somewhere.
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Post by Ayton(e) on Dec 17, 2008 15:34:05 GMT -5
Jammer, Having finished work for the week, I put those speakers together in the Avatar open back this morning and played 'em for quite a while. I think in cases like this first impressions count, before your ear gets too used to/fatigued by the sound. Here's my immediate thoughts. - Mid snarl. Very prominent but smooth and not unpleasant. Reminds me of the TJ vs Scott video. - Easy to play. Not stiff. Not hyper-exposed, naked-under-the-spotlight tone. - Certainly warm on top. No fizz. And I mean in full power mode. - Less detailed. I remember this from before when I kept comparing V30/Gold with H30/Gold. The price of the V30's warmth seems to be that loss of detail. Not a deal breaker on such a bright amp, but worth noting. - Bass a bit muddy. Noticed this when playing fast palm mutes, say when ascending a scale, they ran together quite a bit. Overall impression is a really musical, searing high mids kind of tone, absolutely warm enough to make full power mode playable and friendly. I'd happily use this combination to record solos, but with that muddled bass I don't think it's great for metal riffs. Also, the V30 upper mid hump is in full effect. That can be great at times, they just have a character like nothing else, but my personal feeling is I'd get fatigued by it eventually and start looking for a more balanced speaker. I don't want to sound too down on it though, it's really fun to play this V30/H30 mix, easy to get into a flow, and anything that puts a safety net on full power mode is good. Here is a hideous one-take example of these speakers together: home.comcast.net/~theshape/forum/comp_v30h30_for_jammer.mp3I pointed a mic midway between the two speakers, and set it about a foot back to get them both, but you lose body and bass with every inch back so it sounds a bit tinny. I normally close mic but don't have two. Imagine this about 67 times thicker. Sounds huge in the room. 1st Gear dimed, full power, BBQ pickup, no pedals (duh). You have no idea how hard it is for me not to switch to neck pickup when playing high. EDIT: The muddy bass things seems to have been mostly down to the BBQ. I got curious and tried my main guitar (ceramic rails) and the speakers were able to cling onto the fast palm muted stuff a lot better. |
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Post by supercharged350 on Dec 17, 2008 16:43:04 GMT -5
Thanks SC! I say, if you're unsure what note to hit, get some big vibrato going and you'll get most of them in there somewhere. LMAO!!! ;D Straight to the classic quotes w/ this one....... |
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Post by Ayton(e) on Dec 18, 2008 12:19:31 GMT -5
Thanks SC! I say, if you're unsure what note to hit, get some big vibrato going and you'll get most of them in there somewhere. LMAO!!! ;D Straight to the classic quotes w/ this one....... I'm touched and humbled to be immortalized with such greats as Vom and Craig! I'd like to thank Yngwie Malmsteen and John Sykes for teaching me that less is never more when it comes to vibrato, my beautiful wife who stood by me through all the broken strings and bimonthly refrets, and, because everyone does, Harvey Weinstein. |
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(That was with the old Eminence speakers though, and Lordy it sounds great with the new ones...)
I suppose you were pretty baked on meds back then.