Eminence Govs vs Man O Wars?

[morecowbell]

Like alot of you, my Splawn 4x12 has the Govs/MOW speakers in an x-pattern. So far for gigs I've only miked the Gov, I put the mic what appears to be about midway between the center of the speaker and edge of the cone (it's hard to tell exactly because that basketweave grillcloth is so think I can't see through it very well). I'm curious of the tone differences, maybe I should be mking the MOW live? I cana never hear the miked tone, just my amp onstage. Have any of you guys made clips of each speaker using identical settings? If not, maybe one of you folks could? It would be really helpful to alot of folks I bet.

[jimbax]

morecowbell said:

Like alot of you, my Splawn 4x12 has the Govs/MOW speakers in an x-pattern. So far for gigs I've only miked the Gov, I put the mic what appears to be about midway between the center of the speaker and edge of the cone (it's hard to tell exactly because that basketweave grillcloth is so think I can't see through it very well). I'm curious of the tone differences, maybe I should be mking the MOW live? I cana never hear the miked tone, just my amp onstage. Have any of you guys made clips of each speaker using identical settings? If not, maybe one of you folks could? It would be really helpful to alot of folks I bet.

the govs are more mid/chunk and the MOWs are brighter/top end crunch.. put a mic on each

[shreder75]

I've asked this a million times..which is which?? I mic'd the bottom right one for my clips, but I mic'd the bottom left one at my last gig

[morecowbell]

shreder75 said:

I've asked this a million times..which is which?? I mic'd the bottom right one for my clips, but I mic'd the bottom left one at my last gig

The Govs are bottom left and top right, MOW's are top left and bottom right.

[shreder75]

morecowbell said:

shreder75 said:

I've asked this a million times..which is which?? I mic'd the bottom right one for my clips, but I mic'd the bottom left one at my last gig

The Govs are bottom left and top right, MOW's are top left and bottom right.

cool, thanks man =)

I think I like the Gov's better..they're smoother..but that's if I only had to listen to one at a time..together they compliment very well...

that being said, I think I'll stick with micing the gov's cause they're a bit smoother to my ear...

[morecowbell]

That's part of the reason I've up until now avoided mixing speakers - sure they may compliment each other all together, but rarely does anyone mic more than 1 speaker. Plus, I can see the logic (shared by some people I trust like Roccaforte) that if you have a speaker you like, why not use 4 instead of watering it down with 2 of something else? Anyway, I generally like a smooth sound without too much high end so I've been miking the Gov, but without a real solid a/b test I'm not sure I'm not missing something by not miking the MOW instead. I like a nice even tone, not too much low end, not too much fizz on top but enough mids/highs that you get that nice clear tone. I'm old school Lynch/EVH/Malmsteen sort of tone, there's nothing excessive EQ wise in any of those tones; no monsterous bass, no harsh overdone highs, etc. That's what I like.

[morecowbell]

I forgot to mention, I do absolutley dig that Splawn cab, got a few gigs on it and I'm loving every minute of it. I'm just looking to maximize it, like I do with all gear. I've still not done an a/b against my other two 4x12's, hope to get that done as soon as I have a gig free weekend later this month. But man on man, I'm digging the tone. And our soundguy has the easist job in the world with my guitar, just stick an SM57 in front and he's got a great sound, he barely even touches any of the eq at the board.

[shreder75]

yep, I love the cab...

I might start experimenting with dual micing for live stuff....wouldn't be that much of a problem..

it's also cool from a recording standpoint to have two different speakers in one cab..this way you can thicken up the sound with the same cab rather than having to mic two different cabs separately....to get that wall of sound....

[tree]

well on a live micing.....just play around with it..... with a sm57 try the MOW, Audix I5 or a condenser with an extended low range try the Gov. But to tell you the truth, live micing is very forgiving. Most of the time you are going to be playing at louder volumes and when you mic a speaker you will be getting some of the tome from the other speaker filtering through the paper cone so just play around with it. You cant go wrong either way.

Tree

[Hacksaw]

Tree, Correct me if I am wrong,, a characteristic with the mic placement, Mic'ing farther out towards the speakers edges will give you more of the cabinet interior sound, which gets even more tones and bottom end from the other speaker types.. so by moving the mic out a little with one mic may give both worlds, and also a little control , ?? anyone ??

[tree]

Mic placement is really one of those " in the ear of the beholder" type things. Every one has their reasons they place the way the do but i place just off the center pointing in at a little bit of an angle "to help avoid phase cancellation a little" and about 1-2" off the grill. I do that on any cab and it works best for me. The cab tone is going to roll out through the paper no matter what.

When you are just off center you get the full effect of the cab with the mic surrounded in the tones from ONE speaker.

When you place to the side near the "dope" of the speaker. Your mic will be more apt to pickup other stage or "room" noise.

You are always going to get the interior sound of the cab You just need to find the place where you like the attack.

Tree

[morecowbell]

tree said:

When you place to the side near the "dope" of the speaker. Your mic will be more apt to pickup other stage or "room" noise.

You are always going to get the interior sound of the cab You just need to find the place where you like the attack.

Tree

Is that "dope" spot the seam betweeen the cone and dust cover, or the cone and the surround?

[tree]

the ring that connects the cone to the frame