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Post by porkchops on Oct 30, 2007 22:06:37 GMT -5
Got my Nitro yesterday!!! Was only able to play for about half on hour but here is my initial impression: The clean channel is really good...impressive for a high gain amp. Maby not fender clean but if thats what you're after go buy a fender. I have the kt77's and to me they are perfect.. The high gain channel is simply destructive. I will stay on OD2 and set a mild boost for leads. It's darker than a pro-mod or quickrod but still very articulate. If you want it to cut more just add presence. It is still a Splawn!!! In my opinion you can dial in Quickrod tones, ProMod tones and then take it over the top with just a bit of knob turning.
I think the 77's are the most versatile tube choice.
Porkchops...
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Post by windsen on Oct 30, 2007 22:36:11 GMT -5
porkchops, congrats on the new amp. i agree, the clean channel is awesome, especially for a high gain amp. what you running your gain at? the new gain taper on the amp was a lot different than on my QR. basically 2-3:00 on the new taper is more or less equal to noon on the old taper. scott told me this new taper is being put on all amps to add more versatility. kicking in OD2, i'm finding adds even more low end which can be excessive at times so i'm running on OD1 with gain around 3:30.
i do agree you can dial it in to sound likethe QR (i.e. by turning the resonance knob down) but i instantly noticed that it plays a bit differently than the QR. i'm guessing that's due to the increased saturation. the nitro feels like it has more sag, but like you said, it's still very articulate.
congrats on the new amp again and have fun with it!
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Post by TuskerKevin on Oct 31, 2007 7:09:25 GMT -5
Congrats man!! Soooo awesome!! PICS!!!
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Post by VomHalen on Oct 31, 2007 8:35:56 GMT -5
this is the 21st century...why are there no pics? ;D
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Post by splatter on Oct 31, 2007 9:07:41 GMT -5
congrats pig gizzards ....... Its not like your rubbing our noses in it or nothing ;D . Do you also own a QR ?
Also can you elaborate on how the 77's are different than the el34's ? I'm trying to decide on what to get in my nitro .
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Post by LooseCannon on Oct 31, 2007 11:24:56 GMT -5
the new gain taper on the amp was a lot different than on my QR. basically 2-3:00 on the new taper is more or less equal to noon on the old taper. scott told me this new taper is being put on all amps to add more versatility. How is it more versatile if the new taper on 3:00 has equal gain to the old taper on noon? That seems less versatile to me and less gain, or did you mean to say it's the other way around? |
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Post by windsen on Oct 31, 2007 11:29:23 GMT -5
^sorry i should have clarified. there is no less gain with the new taper. with the old taper, i guess, there wasn't a huge difference in gain past 3:00 or so. most of the gain available was already kicing in pretty early on in the taper. with the new taper all the gain is still there, but you have a wider range up sub-maxed-out-gain tones, i.e. low and mid gain tones. this allows for you to dial in "gear 1-ish" and "gear 2-ish" tones even though you don't have a gear switch knob anymore. does that make sense?
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Post by Silverwulf on Oct 31, 2007 11:59:51 GMT -5
From what I gathered, the old tapers...you pretty much have about all the gain it was going to get once you hit about 3 o'clock on the dial. There is a difference, but it's minimal. So, anything above that was pretty much irrelevant. Once you got to 12 noon, it was pretty saturated. With the new taper, you have a much wider sweep in the 12-3 o'clock region for mid gain tones. You can dime the gain and have about as much as the old ones around 3 o'clock, and you're not really missing anything since the old ones didn't add much more gain above 3 anyway. However, the extra versatility comes in that you can dial in a wider range of mid gain tones that you couldn't before because of the wider sweep range. So, you're sacrificing a nearly inaudible amount of gain to have much more versatility. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Post by windsen on Oct 31, 2007 12:07:54 GMT -5
^wow, silverwulf explained that like 100x better than i did, haha.
but yea, what silverwulf said.
when i started to dial in the gain on my nitro, i was like WTF, how is there less gain on this amp!?!? but then i figured it out after messing with it for a while and after talking to scott about it for a bit. but no, there is not really any less gain at all. it's still a monster splawn!
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Post by porkchops on Oct 31, 2007 22:22:41 GMT -5
Hmmm? I'm not much of an expert on el34's to give a well educated comparison to the kt77's.
What I know is the 77's are a middle ground between el34's and kt88's. They are the best of both worlds..bigger lows than 34's and less spikey highs than the 88's. I absolutely love the clean on the nitro, the more I play the more I realize that the clean may be better voiced than the infamous "Fender Clean". This may very well be the most versatile amp I have played to date. I bought the Nitro because I wanted the biggest, baddest bone crusher. Little did I know that it would have such an excellent clean to boot!!! I personally believe the 77's are the perfect tube for this amp because they are so potent and destructive on the high gain side and still offer warmth and roundness with articulation for the clean. No mud at all!! But then again I can't play guitar worth a flip:)!
"Pig Gizzards"
that was for splatter, henceforth known as "splUtter"!!!
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Post by Jammermatt on Nov 1, 2007 0:07:15 GMT -5
Send in the Wulf.
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Post by assailant on Nov 4, 2007 19:11:59 GMT -5
i do agree you can dial it in to sound likethe QR (i.e. by turning the resonance knob down) but i instantly noticed that it plays a bit differently than the QR. i'm guessing that's due to the increased saturation. the nitro feels like it has more sag, but like you said, it's still very articulate. Does the Nitro have less filtering in the output stage than the QR? How much stiffer is the QR over the Nitro? Thnx |
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Post by windsen on Nov 4, 2007 19:57:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean by filtering. I also really don't know how to quanity how much stiffer it is, but I can tell you that with the QR, notes jump out immediately, note articulation is very very tight. The Nitro, while still a tight amp has a noticeble "sag" to it's feel. The QR does not have that at all.
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Post by assailant on Nov 5, 2007 2:31:32 GMT -5
I'm going on little sleep (feel like a zombie right now  ) but I'll try to explain: The output stage of a tube amp has filter capacitors to smoothe the DC ripple and provide instant power reserves. They are also responsible for eliminating what is known as "ghost notes" and annoying humm. If you increase the filtering, you also will stiffen up the tone and feel of an amp. For example, my early Marshalls have 16uf and 32uf filter caps. Later, Marshall went to 50uf caps and have a "harder" feel to them. For a modern example, the new JVM Marshalls have much higher filtering than the Vintage Modern models, hence the tight (some might say "sterile") feel and tone with the JVM. |
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Post by assailant on Nov 5, 2007 2:37:35 GMT -5
And, BTW, thank you for the reply. That is a pefect description of the difference in the two amps and will help me with my purchase decision.  |
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