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Post by murky69nz on Oct 11, 2005 21:37:55 GMT -5
I just have a question regarding all the QR clips that I have heard off Scott's web site and from this board.
To my ear, they all seem to be lacking that high end sizzle that comes with an evh cranked plexi sound.
Compare if you will to the clips off David Bray's web site, which to my ear get pretty close to the EVH sound. (davidbrayamps.com)
Question is, is it just the way that the clips have been recorded, or is the QR voiced so that you don't get that high end sizzle?
Thanks
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Post by tubez on Oct 12, 2005 6:48:27 GMT -5
Hi,
I kind of aggree with you on that. I owned a quick rod and though I thinks it is in the VH ballpark I think a closer to early VH recorded example is the mojave scorpion. IMO there is something about the QR that doesn't accurately nail the early VH. Others on this board disaggree but everyone hears things different. You also have to realize that most of the splawn clips are just straight guitar where Eddie had tons of effects going on and that makes a big difference. If Scott recorded some clips with delay it would certainly help. I have heard the bray "brownsound" clip as well and the problem I hear with that is there is a bit of mush in the low register. Its sometimes hard to go by the clip's and you really need to play through an amp to know if its what your looking for. If you are strickly going for the early VH I do think the splawn is capable of getting closer then the actual clips but I still think its a little different of a breakup/tone. I currently own an orignal Naylor Duel sixty amp and though It does not have as much gain on tap as the splawn I think it does a closer early VH sound with a good overdrive pedal in the front. JMO.
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Post by shreder75 on Oct 12, 2005 7:22:17 GMT -5
I thought the same thing about the bray clips..they sound cool, in that old school 'these knobs go to 11' marshal style..but it's definetly loose..
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Post by shreder75 on Oct 12, 2005 7:22:45 GMT -5
anywho, i think Al estrada does a pretty good job of getting the VH sound with his Quick Rod =)
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Post by tubez on Oct 12, 2005 7:38:58 GMT -5
AL does get a good live sound but he is a monster VH player so that does help. I would be curious to hear him try to cop the early VH sound in the studio with his setup....
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Post by tubez on Oct 12, 2005 7:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by shreder75 on Oct 12, 2005 8:21:43 GMT -5
tubez
I think I've heard that clip before...that's pretty close to VH...I've heard alotta people get VH tones with alotta different amps...marshalls (obviously), VHolic gets the VH vibe even with his 5150 combo...I think the guy from the tribute band Hot for Teacher uses an older Dual Rectifier beleive it or not..lol...
Scott's said many times, unless you play like Eddie, you won't sound like eddie through a quick rod...lol....which makes lots of sense!
while I like eddy's tone, I want my tone, ya know? I think it's more of a vibe that people want that the QR offers that's the thing..it's got that vibe and grind that eddie used to get, but it goes further than that...
anywho, the eagle will land tomorrow...I feel a cold comming on..*cough cough*..heheheh
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Post by VomHalen on Oct 12, 2005 8:57:30 GMT -5
i'll stand behind scott's brown sound any day of the week...the advantages that the QR has over the mojaves/modded plexis/etc. is that you can get that sound at any level...the amps that were mentioned are all non master volume amps which means that you have to crank them on 10...trust me i had a mojave and you have to play that thing loud...unbearably loud...try playing that at a gig...
what's that?...attenuate it?...yeah, then you lose that sound...trying to play one at a normal level you'd have to attenuate the hell out of the amp and then it loses it's "character"...not knocking any of those brands, we all hear different things, but that's one thing that scott has over the competition (along with the effects loop/clean channel/solo boost/ half power switch/gears/etc...) ;D
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Post by tubez on Oct 12, 2005 10:20:07 GMT -5
My Naylor has a master volume and an effects loop. I would say the level of gain is in comparison to the quick rod in 1st gear. I use my Vox Valve tone to get into 2nd gear so to speak. The fact is when using any amp with a bulit in gain circuit ala (pre-amp) you are really not getting a power tube overdrive like a non master volume head cranked up. What I love about the Naylor is it sounds very much like a cranked amp overdrive rather then a preamp but in essence it is preamp overdrive. The splawn is kind of the same thing but it seems more mid rangy and less of the VH high end sizzle.....
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Post by tree on Oct 12, 2005 10:36:30 GMT -5
Tubez
From what I remember the amp that you had did not have the mode switch, saying that you have not heard what the first gear really sounds like. Scott took a little gain and lowend out and added some top end. This setting gets really close to the VH sound without running the amp wide open. Also remember if you are going for true power tube distortion the low end will be loose...
Tree
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Post by VomHalen on Oct 12, 2005 10:38:13 GMT -5
My Naylor has a master volume and an effects loop. I would say the level of gain is in comparison to the quick rod in 1st gear. I use my Vox Valve tone to get into 2nd gear so to speak. The fact is when using any amp with a bulit in gain circuit ala (pre-amp) you are really not getting a power tube overdrive like a non master volume head cranked up. What I love about the Naylor is it sounds very much like a cranked amp overdrive rather then a preamp but in essence it is preamp overdrive. The splawn is kind of the same thing but it seems more mid rangy and less of the VH high end sizzle..... inorder to get anywhere near the level of gain that ed had on VH1 with just power tube distortion would be deafening...alot of people say you have to crank an amp..but do you know how loud a 100watt head on 10 is?...i like playing loud my self...but that's fookin LOUD (deafening) ;D...you'd never be able to play that loud in any venue (bar/club/home) that regular people play at...it's one thing cranking an amp in the studio and recording it...completely different when playing live. plus, a good part of that "magic marshall" sound is due to Mr. Ted Templeman. i have a video bootleg of VH in 1984 playing Vegas...the live sound that ed has is so close to the splawn it's not even funny... |
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Post by tubez on Oct 12, 2005 10:57:16 GMT -5
To my knowledge it was only during their very early shows was he even using his main setup live. Once they started playing bigger venues and tours he was using various marshalls and more then likely not using the variac live. I have some early boots and it seems pretty obvious that he was using his main marshall. Only Ed himself would be able to really confirm if anyones sound is really close to what he had but he himself would have to play through it. I am sure you would be blown away if he tested a splawn and said "it doesn't sound anything like my old sound".......
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Post by VomHalen on Oct 12, 2005 11:05:41 GMT -5
To my knowledge it was only during their very early shows was he even using his main setup live. Once they started playing bigger venues and tours he was using various marshalls and more then likely not using the variac live. I have some early boots and it seems pretty obvious that he was using his main marshall. Only Ed himself would be able to really confirm if anyones sound is really close to what he had but he himself would have to play through it. I am sure you would be blown away if he tested a splawn and said "it doesn't sound anything like my old sound"....... not really...all that matters to me is that i think it's close to his old sound i didn't mean to isinuate that ed was using the magic marshall on the 1984 tour (although i have video of him using it at farm aid live in 1985)...just that ed's live marshalls sound just like the splawn.. and that when i took the splawn out of the box it gave me the "beautiful girls" tone right out of the box... with no pedals or any other effects...that's something that no other amp was able to do |
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Post by scottdh on Oct 12, 2005 13:09:57 GMT -5
I am sure you would be blown away if he tested a splawn and said "it doesn't sound anything like my old sound"....... I would be blown away to watch Ed test a Splawn no matter what he said afterward... Regarding his tone and how to capture it...jeez...there are so many things (many are well documented above) that come into play...fingers/tubes/amps/speakers/pickups/guitars/microphones/acoustics...I think it's important to find what works for you as a guitarist. It may be a Splawn, it may be a Gorilla. The point is... If the clips don't sound right to your ear and you can't play a Splawn in person (to me that is the only way to get to know an amp), perhaps another amp is the best way to go until you CAN do those things. Further, sound clips cannot possibly sound the way they would sound if you played them yourself. They are merely examples of what others have gotten the amp to do with their own gear and settings. I certainly would not recommend this big of a purchase based solely on clips that I or any other musician have posted. Scott and others have done a fantastic job of creating instruments that allow us to play our favorites quite accurately but also original material without sounding branded or cliched. I am continually impressed with the QR's chameleon-like ability to project different styles of music - hair metal/nu metal/punk/blues/jazz/etc - but don't take my word for it. Either find a way to play one or play others until you find one that works for you. |
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Post by shreder75 on Oct 12, 2005 13:58:57 GMT -5
I am sure you would be blown away if he tested a splawn and said "it doesn't sound anything like my old sound"....... I would be blown away to watch Ed test a Splawn no matter what he said afterward... Regarding his tone and how to capture it...jeez...there are so many things (many are well documented above) that come into play...fingers/tubes/amps/speakers/pickups/guitars/microphones/acoustics...I think it's important to find what works for you as a guitarist. It may be a Splawn, it may be a Gorilla. The point is... If the clips don't sound right to your ear and you can't play a Splawn in person (to me that is the only way to get to know an amp), perhaps another amp is the best way to go until you CAN do those things. Further, sound clips cannot possibly sound the way they would sound if you played them yourself. They are merely examples of what others have gotten the amp to do with their own gear and settings. I certainly would not recommend this big of a purchase based solely on clips that I or any other musician have posted. Scott and others have done a fantastic job of creating instruments that allow us to play our favorites quite accurately but also original material without sounding branded or cliched. I am continually impressed with the QR's chameleon-like ability to project different styles of music - hair metal/nu metal/punk/blues/jazz/etc - but don't take my word for it. Either find a way to play one or play others until you find one that works for you. I went based on two things...the clips and what people've said..I haven't heard one single bad thing about this amp.. no matter what other amp and how good general reviews are there's always 'oh, it's too weak'..'it's too fizzy'..'lacks balls'..I have yet to hear anything like that about the Quick Rod..i've heard it doesn't get such and such sound or close enough to EVH to so and so's ears..but even then, they never said it sounded bad... so we'll see tomorrow if my leap of faith pays off..if it doesn't, then I'll be the one taking a leap..into a busy intersection! lol...but I highly doubt that =) |
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