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Post by shreder75 on Jan 4, 2006 8:05:03 GMT -5
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Post by jimbax on Jan 4, 2006 10:06:03 GMT -5
What the.....is that?....do you think?.....look, this is what happens when 'engineers' start playing guitar...let this be a lesson to you all...WHEN GUITAR PLAYERS TAKE STEROIDS...or have hemorrhoids...
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 4, 2006 10:21:04 GMT -5
hehheeh...I knew this would irk ya a little bit  |
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Post by 110db on Jan 4, 2006 10:58:41 GMT -5
While I admire the finger dexterity and technical ability this guy has and I could never play like that, I was bored before it got over. Could you imagine listening to that for about an hour?
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 4, 2006 11:13:22 GMT -5
oh, musically it was horrible...
but I was impressed that his fingers hardly moved off the fretboard...that's probably the biggest problem in my playing....my fingers move wayyy too far off the fretboard..but after 15 years, it's a tough habit to break
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Post by jimbax on Jan 4, 2006 11:40:21 GMT -5
oh, musically it was horrible... but I was impressed that his fingers hardly moved off the fretboard...that's probably the biggest problem in my playing....my fingers move wayyy too far off the fretboard..but after 15 years, it's a tough habit to break economy of motion is the 'discipline' I practiced and taught it for many years...then I noticed that ALL of the players I like and appreciate most don't play like that so I hosed the whole can o' crud and went back to enjoying playing my guitar...you won't see these guys in the mainstream...EVER..because they are clowns not musicians...play from your heart and skip the crap...my fingers fly all over the place too, don't worry about it. If you want to play like these guys then have at it...I think it is a mistake and a trap. Practicing is one thing but this is putting the emphasis on the 'vehicle' instead of the destination IMHO.. |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 4, 2006 12:50:11 GMT -5
well there's a difference though....having fingers all over the place and being sloppy is differnet from economy of motion with cleanliness....you'll find steve vai's fingers and paul gilberts and george lynch's fingers don't move very far and they're all very clean...satriani's fingers move far and he's clean...
i can't fix it now, but if I had to do it all over again I'd do the economy thing...I don't think it's a trap...I think it can be a good technique...there's plenty who do it and don't make wanking crap like what this guy is doing, so generalizing is doing an injustice to those who can do it and make good music in the process...
just cause the guys you like don't do it doesn't make it crap
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Post by jimbax on Jan 4, 2006 13:18:10 GMT -5
well there's a difference though....having fingers all over the place and being sloppy is differnet from economy of motion with cleanliness....you'll find steve vai's fingers and paul gilberts and george lynch's fingers don't move very far and they're all very clean...satriani's fingers move far and he's clean... i can't fix it now, but if I had to do it all over again I'd do the economy thing...I don't think it's a trap...I think it can be a good technique...there's plenty who do it and don't make wanking crap like what this guy is doing, so generalizing is doing an injustice to those who can do it and make good music in the process... just cause the guys you like don't do it doesn't make it crap I'm not generalizing....I don't see anybody in the BIG gigs playing like this....and I CONTINUE to say: YOU WON'T!....why?...because MAINSTREAM listeners are not impressed with high wankage...pure and simple. If you want to impress the musicians ...then you are wasting your time because musicians are hard to impress and at the end of the day it is a lonely world when you WANK! I will get a gig over these types of players 99% of the time (in a pro situation) because band leaders aren't looking for a wankity chops feind, they are looking for a SOLID 'tasteful' player with some tact and restraint..go ahead, show up to a BIG gig audition and pull out the 'wankity bad-dude monster sweep chops' and watch the band go: man, that is cool, but can you play anything that makes sense? .....I've seen it a thousand times go down like this....LESSON: don't get sucked in by these 'circus clowns' you will regret it....if not, you WILL have trouble even if you get a big gig... |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 4, 2006 14:21:14 GMT -5
well there's a difference though....having fingers all over the place and being sloppy is differnet from economy of motion with cleanliness....you'll find steve vai's fingers and paul gilberts and george lynch's fingers don't move very far and they're all very clean...satriani's fingers move far and he's clean... i can't fix it now, but if I had to do it all over again I'd do the economy thing...I don't think it's a trap...I think it can be a good technique...there's plenty who do it and don't make wanking crap like what this guy is doing, so generalizing is doing an injustice to those who can do it and make good music in the process... just cause the guys you like don't do it doesn't make it crap I'm not generalizing....I don't see anybody in the BIG gigs playing like this....and I CONTINUE to say: YOU WON'T!....why?...because MAINSTREAM listeners are not impressed with high wankage...pure and simple. If you want to impress the musicians ...then you are wasting your time because musicians are hard to impress and at the end of the day it is a lonely world when you WANK! I will get a gig over these types of players 99% of the time (in a pro situation) because band leaders aren't looking for a wankity chops feind, they are looking for a SOLID 'tasteful' player with some tact and restraint..go ahead, show up to a BIG gig audition and pull out the 'wankity bad-dude monster sweep chops' and watch the band go: man, that is cool, but can you play anything that makes sense? .....I've seen it a thousand times go down like this....LESSON: don't get sucked in by these 'circus clowns' you will regret it....if not, you WILL have trouble even if you get a big gig... you're obviously not paying attention to what i'm saying..i'm not talking about wankage anymore..I'm talking about not lifting your fingers that far off the fretboard....this can be used for fast AND slow passages, phrasing, what have you... dude, I'm too old to get sucked in by much of anyone or anything....I'm not a 20 something that you hate so much, m'kay? I'm not looking to get a big gig, nor will I EVER get a big gig...I'm in a local cover band in new jersey....but I do what I can to the best of MY ability..I'm fully aware that johnny or jane drunkard out in the crowd won't know the difference between pivoting and sweep picking....but, I don't give a shcit about that...I do what I can to make the band sound good and to be pleasing to my own ears..if I can please myself and be happy with my performance, then my own worst critic is happy and my battle's over.. |
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Post by DonaldDemon on Jan 5, 2006 18:54:12 GMT -5
I'm not generalizing....I don't see anybody in the BIG gigs playing like this....and I CONTINUE to say: YOU WON'T!....why?...because MAINSTREAM listeners are not impressed with high wankage...pure and simple. If you want to impress the musicians ...then you are wasting your time because musicians are hard to impress and at the end of the day it is a lonely world when you WANK! I will get a gig over these types of players 99% of the time (in a pro situation) because band leaders aren't looking for a wankity chops feind, they are looking for a SOLID 'tasteful' player with some tact and restraint..go ahead, show up to a BIG gig audition and pull out the 'wankity bad-dude monster sweep chops' and watch the band go: man, that is cool, but can you play anything that makes sense? .....I've seen it a thousand times go down like this....LESSON: don't get sucked in by these 'circus clowns' you will regret it....if not, you WILL have trouble even if you get a big gig... Amen to that brother. I have blown a few good auditions myself when I was younger and stupid doing fretboard gymnastics. Save it for the Yngwie Wanksteins and such. Common audiences don't want to hear that stuff and other musicians see as a joke most of the time and would rather hear you play something emotionally moving than 20,000 notes per minute. |
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Post by jimbax on Jan 5, 2006 20:34:01 GMT -5
I'm not generalizing....I don't see anybody in the BIG gigs playing like this....and I CONTINUE to say: YOU WON'T!....why?...because MAINSTREAM listeners are not impressed with high wankage...pure and simple. If you want to impress the musicians ...then you are wasting your time because musicians are hard to impress and at the end of the day it is a lonely world when you WANK! I will get a gig over these types of players 99% of the time (in a pro situation) because band leaders aren't looking for a wankity chops feind, they are looking for a SOLID 'tasteful' player with some tact and restraint..go ahead, show up to a BIG gig audition and pull out the 'wankity bad-dude monster sweep chops' and watch the band go: man, that is cool, but can you play anything that makes sense? .....I've seen it a thousand times go down like this....LESSON: don't get sucked in by these 'circus clowns' you will regret it....if not, you WILL have trouble even if you get a big gig... Amen to that brother. I have blown a few good auditions myself when I was younger and stupid doing fretboard gymnastics. Save it for the Yngwie Wanksteins and such. Common audiences don't want to hear that stuff and other musicians see as a joke most of the time and would rather hear you play something emotionally moving than 20,000 notes per minute. man, you got a good head on your shoulders! you DO see the light! We are the 'anti-craig/shreder' duo. They give WAY too much love to the WANKITY guitar crowd! |
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Post by shreder75 on Jan 5, 2006 20:50:56 GMT -5
yearrrghhh!! I give up trying to explain things to the 'only hear what they wanna hear' crowd!
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Post by DonaldDemon on Jan 6, 2006 10:23:57 GMT -5
Amen to that brother. I have blown a few good auditions myself when I was younger and stupid doing fretboard gymnastics. Save it for the Yngwie Wanksteins and such. Common audiences don't want to hear that stuff and other musicians see as a joke most of the time and would rather hear you play something emotionally moving than 20,000 notes per minute. man, you got a good head on your shoulders! you DO see the light! We are the 'anti-craig/shreder' duo. They give WAY too much love to the WANKITY guitar crowd! ;D ;D ;D Down with WANKAGE!! |
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