scam ?

[splatter]

Ok heres the deal . I received an email about my QR . The guy said he was buying it and going to ship it to another guy in Argentina and that I would be shipping it to Florida he said that I would receive another email from a different email address to finalize payments . Then I received another email from a different address but it wasn't the address he told me it would be . This email ask me to send a pay pal invoice so that he could pay me .
Something about this just doesn't seem right to me . However if I get my money through pay pal before its shipped how can it be a scam ?
any input is appreciated .

[TuskerKevin]

Trust your intuition.....

[TJ]

Why would "YOU" need to send a Paypal invoice? Don't do it. Have him either pay you thru paypal or send you a cashiers check. I'd have send a cashier's check and be done with it. He probably will decline and then you'll know it's a scam.

[SmokinPaul]

Don't do it Splatter. Way fooked up! You could do a legitimate sale on that piece ANYDAY. Tell 'em to take a walk.

[splatter]

Just went up and played thru the QR , I'm keeping it

[LooseCannon]

lol

[MetalHeart]

Apr 22, 2010 17:24:46 GMT -5 splatter said:

Just went up and played thru the QR , I'm keeping it

I wished I would have done that with my 1st one! LOL
Good for you

[snappinnecks]

Don't accept the funds if you do decide to sell. What happens is they will use a stolen credit card to pay for the amp through Pay Pal. When the charge back for the fraudulent use of the card hits Pay Pal they will take the funds back out of your Pay Pal account or make your account negative. You will then start receiving emails from Pay Pal asking for the funds. You will be out of an amp and the cash. The amp will most likely get shipped to someone who they "hired" as an "account manager" via internet job listings. This is called a reshipper scam. The person they hired is basically receiving a floating inventory for the bad guy. While the amp or whatever is in route to the reshipper the bad guy will sell it via Amazon or Ebay etc. By the time it arrives at the reshipper's house the amp has sold and the bad guy sends a prepaid UPS label to the reshipper via email. The reshipper takes the amp to UPS and drops it off. The bad buy then sends the reshipper $20-50 via Western Union for his services. The bad guy never touches the amp and good luck finding him in Nigeria or Eastern Europe. I have worked a bunch of these reshipper scams and have intercepted MacBook Pros, cell phones, DVD players, digital cameras, etc that were still at the reshipper's house waiting to be sent to a buyer. All traced back to either a straight up fraudulent credit card purchase or through Pay Pal fraudulently. Be very cautious fellas. They are all over the internet these days.

[Patrick]

Apr 22, 2010 19:43:44 GMT -5 snappinnecks said:

Don't accept the funds if you do decide to sell. What happens is they will use a stolen credit card to pay for the amp through Pay Pal. When the charge back for the fraudulent use of the card hits Pay Pal they will take the funds back out of your Pay Pal account or make your account negative. You will then start receiving emails from Pay Pal asking for the funds. You will be out of an amp and the cash. The amp will most likely get shipped to someone who they "hired" as an "account manager" via internet job listings. This is called a reshipper scam. The person they hired is basically receiving a floating inventory for the bad guy. While the amp or whatever is in route to the reshipper the bad guy will sell it via Amazon or Ebay etc. By the time it arrives at the reshipper's house the amp has sold and the bad guy sends a prepaid UPS label to the reshipper via email. The reshipper takes the amp to UPS and drops it off. The bad buy then sends the reshipper $20-50 via Western Union for his services. The bad guy never touches the amp and good luck finding him in Nigeria or Eastern Europe. I have worked a bunch of these reshipper scams and have intercepted MacBook Pros, cell phones, DVD players, digital cameras, etc that were still at the reshipper's house waiting to be sent to a buyer. All traced back to either a straight up fraudulent credit card purchase or through Pay Pal fraudulently. Be very cautious fellas. They are all over the internet these days.

Snappinnecks you ROCK! Thanks for the heads up!!!

[snappinnecks]

Apr 22, 2010 22:50:33 GMT -5 Patrick said:

Apr 22, 2010 19:43:44 GMT -5 snappinnecks said:

Don't accept the funds if you do decide to sell. What happens is they will use a stolen credit card to pay for the amp through Pay Pal. When the charge back for the fraudulent use of the card hits Pay Pal they will take the funds back out of your Pay Pal account or make your account negative. You will then start receiving emails from Pay Pal asking for the funds. You will be out of an amp and the cash. The amp will most likely get shipped to someone who they "hired" as an "account manager" via internet job listings. This is called a reshipper scam. The person they hired is basically receiving a floating inventory for the bad guy. While the amp or whatever is in route to the reshipper the bad guy will sell it via Amazon or Ebay etc. By the time it arrives at the reshipper's house the amp has sold and the bad guy sends a prepaid UPS label to the reshipper via email. The reshipper takes the amp to UPS and drops it off. The bad buy then sends the reshipper $20-50 via Western Union for his services. The bad guy never touches the amp and good luck finding him in Nigeria or Eastern Europe. I have worked a bunch of these reshipper scams and have intercepted MacBook Pros, cell phones, DVD players, digital cameras, etc that were still at the reshipper's house waiting to be sent to a buyer. All traced back to either a straight up fraudulent credit card purchase or through Pay Pal fraudulently. Be very cautious fellas. They are all over the internet these days.

Snappinnecks you ROCK! Thanks for the heads up!!!

No problem bro. Just looking out for the peeps on here.

[Jammermatt]

Snappin, very good info!

Related to this, I suppose anyone anywhere could use a stolen credit card to buy things on Ebay, yes? I mean even if a fraudulent buyer is not part of a scam of any kind they cause the same kind of problem for a seller - no amp and 1400 in debt to Paypal, yes?

I suppose that's what the buyer rating on Ebay is all about, but I suppose that can be doctored as well... you just never know.

[sasquatch]

Apr 22, 2010 17:24:46 GMT -5 splatter said:

Just went up and played thru the QR , I'm keeping it

Best decision yet!!! I've heard of this scam before and Snappinnecks describes it to a tee. Not only would you have been out the funds if you did the deal, but you'd be minus your beloved QR. You know what they say... you never know what you had until it's gone!

[snappinnecks]

Apr 23, 2010 9:18:45 GMT -5 Jammermatt said:

Snappin, very good info!

Related to this, I suppose anyone anywhere could use a stolen credit card to buy things on Ebay, yes? I mean even if a fraudulent buyer is not part of a scam of any kind they cause the same kind of problem for a seller - no amp and 1400 in debt to Paypal, yes?

I suppose that's what the buyer rating on Ebay is all about, but I suppose that can be doctored as well... you just never know.

I don't think you can doctor buyer/seller ratings. What they usually do is make a ton of purchases of small items to get the rating up to a comfortable level. Then start selling stuff that was purchased using stolen credit cards etc. The item is legit and gets to the buyer. The buyer gives good feedback since he is unaware that the item is actually stolen (via fraudulent credit card purchase) and then received in perfect condition or basically new. The buyer however is unaware they are in possession of stolen merchandise (or property) which is a felony in most states. Ignorance is bliss in these cases though since they had no idea that the item was stolen through fraudulent means. It can get really complicated sometimes trying to figure these things out. Just be diligent when buying and selling things and if it smells fishy don't buy or sell. Ebay / Pay Pal are really good though when it comes to helping us pigs with investigations. They also take hits (monetary) from bad or fraudulent transactions after refunding the buyer/seller once their investigation is complete.

As far as anyone using a stolen credit card to make purchases. The answer is Yes. That is if they can get past the security questions/features and get the transaction to go through. Pay Pal from what I have seen usually refunds the seller. They have to do their investigation though, so you are out the funds for a period of time. There is a chance they won't refund the money though so BE CAREFUL.

[Ayton(e)]

What seems daft is that they told you about the reshipping (to Argentina) which is where your fraud alarm goes off. Why not just tell you, sure, I'll buy it, I'm in Florida, here's my sh!tty rented address? There doesn't seem any need to give you clues to their shady operation.

[brokenfusion]

Apr 23, 2010 13:56:20 GMT -5 Ayton(e) said:

What seems daft is that they told you about the reshipping (to Argentina) which is where your fraud alarm goes off. Why not just tell you, sure, I'll buy it, I'm in Florida, here's my sh!tty rented address? There doesn't seem any need to give you clues to their shady operation.

I had a Les paul on ebay with a best offer option. Guy asked me if he bought it if I would ship it to his friend in Florida who would then ship it to him in Argentina. My BS meter went off. I thought the same thing as ayton. why didn't the guy just buy it and have me ship it to Fla? the Argentina thing is what freaked me out.