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Post by snappinnecks on Mar 1, 2008 22:58:22 GMT -5
Okay I got my Avatar with Greenies loaded in it. They need a little breaking in, but overall I think they are a good match for the Nitro. I have to get used to them being low on the wattage scale. They are really tight sounding though and really snug up the low end on the Nitro. They don't fart out at all like most speakers do which is a pleasant surprise. The only thing that I could find that I didn't like is they don't have much life to them. They are very neutral sounding which isn't a bad thing. I think they would probably sound good with a Quickrod also since the upper mids and highs are not real pronounced on the greenies.
As far as the cab it is built like a tank and is a half inch more compact height and width wise than my other cabs. It is 14" thick and has a lot of bass. I'm glad I got the greenies. I think I'm going to buy another Avatar cab and get some SB25s to Xpattern with the greenies. I'm thinking the SB25 will add a little more life to the cab while the greenies are keeping things solid. Hmmmm I can hear it now. Fat!
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Post by sbk on Mar 1, 2008 23:08:17 GMT -5
What kind of tubes did you get in yo Nitro?
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Post by hollywood on Mar 1, 2008 23:12:20 GMT -5
 Welcome to the greenback club! I like the fact that the greenbacks don't favor one part of the eq. more than another like say the v-30's do. I like those too, but the greenbacks seem to be like truth speakers, so to speak. CONGRATS, on your choice, you will enjoy them. SMART MOVE.
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Post by snappinnecks on Mar 2, 2008 0:02:41 GMT -5
I have KT77s in it.
Yeah I did some research on the greenies and they seemed to be the smartest choice with a Splawn in the Celestion line. I think the Splawns have such a good grind to them that a speaker that colors the tone any (lows or highs) is taking away from its true sound.
I did like the way the SB25s sound also. They sound like a more alive greenie. I think an X pattern of the two will be the perfect cab for the Nitro, Quickrod, etc.
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Post by SonicExplorer on Mar 2, 2008 0:08:17 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing !
Can you elaborate a bit more on the difference between the Greenbacks vs. the SB25's ?? And have you ever tried the Governors?
Sonic
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Post by snappinnecks on Mar 2, 2008 0:15:42 GMT -5
The SB25s sound like they have a little fulller low end (not as tight) and little more sparkle on the high end. I guess you could say more dynamic sounding than the greenies.
I haven't tried governors. I think they probably sound pretty good if Scott is putting them in his cabs.
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Post by SonicExplorer on Mar 2, 2008 2:19:49 GMT -5
When you speak of the difference between the SB25's and Greenbacks, are you speaking from having used them in the same make/mfr of cab, or two different makes of cabinets?
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Post by snappinnecks on Mar 2, 2008 18:14:14 GMT -5
I have heard the SB25's in a Splawn angle. I currently own an avatar straight with greenies. My experience with different brands of cabs is this. The ones who are made out of 3/4 void free birch that have dimentions of 30X30X14 or 29X29X14 or somewhere inbetween all pretty much sound the same. The only difference would be a slant, angle, or straight. The avatar sounds just like my Randall cab except for the speakers. Both cabs are tight and have chest pounding bass. The avatar is slighty tighter due to the greenies. The avatar seems to be built like a tank and weighs about as much as one even though the speakers have smaller lighter magnets. The newer Marshall cabs are made out of some sort of cheap wood have are kinda boomy. You also have to immediatly take the back off and put a piece of carpet or bicycle tube between the center support board and the back or it vibrates and makes a ton of noise. I always put something in there and then put a wood screw through it securing the center of the back pannel to the support board. I think it makes the cab less boomy, but that could be in the same category as cone cry. Another thing to do to a cab is to seal it air tight (silicone). Sealing it also ads a little tightness also. Oversized cabs tend to have more bass, but are first to fart. my current plans are to get another avatar unloaded just like the one I have and buy 4 SB25's. Then X pattern them in the two cabs. I guess SE you were looking for a same cab comparrison. Well sorry can't give ya that. From my experience the SB25's are not going to sound that different in the avatar. Both are close to the same dimentions, 3/4 birch, jointed the same, covering is the same, grill cloth is a little different, and a different emblem. I am willing to bet that when I get the new avatar I could take the greenies out of the one I have, put them into the new cab, and it will probably sound slightly different. I think you have to have the exact same pieces of wood to get the same tone out of two separate cabs. It is like guitars none sound the exact same.
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Post by SonicExplorer on Mar 2, 2008 21:44:24 GMT -5
Part of the reason I asked was due to the comments about the G12M's being tight. Those speakers are notoriously known for NOT being real tight, so to speak. They tend to have a looser low end (like many of the "vintage" Celestions). Which is why I was trying to understand how your cabs may be playing a factor in what you are hearing. If I'm not mistaken, Windsen has also stated the SB25's are the tightest of the Emi/Splawn bunch so far, so it's bizzarre that you find the SB25's looser than G12M's. I am a bit perplexed, something doesn't appear to be adding up here, but it may be some unidentified factor or terminology confusion, etc.
Sonic
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Post by snappinnecks on Mar 2, 2008 23:59:09 GMT -5
From what I have heard in person the SB25's sound fuller and more alive than a greenie. The greenies are very neutral and a pretty snug bass. The SB25's are super tight also, but the fullnness of the tone makes it a tad looser. They both are far from boomy. I play the greenies in drop C and swat the poo out of them palmmuting. They take it like a champ and remain tight. This is thtough a cab that is 14" deep. Tons of bass, but tight.
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Post by windsen on Mar 3, 2008 0:05:43 GMT -5
i kind of agree with what spappinnecks said in that last post. i'm finding the sb25s to be tight in the low end but because of that "fullness" or thickness to them, they can't feel a wee bit saggier than say the governor, which is very focused in the mids so you get a really focused response. the sb25s have more "bloom" i guess you could say but they aren't flubby..like i said, the low end is tight.
i might've said the sb25s were tighter than the govs at first but as i spent more time with them i'm finding that might not be the best description. it also might have to do with the speakers breaking in a bit more.
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Post by SonicExplorer on Mar 3, 2008 1:55:50 GMT -5
So Windsen, has your confidence increased regarding the Governors and SB25's in an x-pattern likely being the ultimate ticket? Or I maybe it's the SB25's and G12M's in an x-pattern....
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Post by LooseCannon on Mar 3, 2008 10:54:11 GMT -5
Why do you have to x pattern Sonic? With different sounding speakers like the govs and mans (mid heavy and scooped) it's a good combo, but greenback style speakers sound great alone. I say go for all SB25's, that's what i'm gonna do.
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Post by SonicExplorer on Mar 3, 2008 11:21:30 GMT -5
Mere nature of speaker is one usually doesn't cover it all. Quite often one is looser on the bottom while another is more harmonic or top-end heavy, while another is more focused in the midrange, etc. x-pattern can be a good thing and gives more recording options as well when multi-tracking. So x-pattern isn't a must-have, but in many cases can be a good thing provided you get the right mixture of speakers.
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Post by sbk on Mar 3, 2008 11:21:43 GMT -5
Hey Loosecannon,sorry I missed it,but happy belated B-day.
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Welcome to the greenback club! I like the fact that the greenbacks don't favor one part of the eq. more than another like say the v-30's do. I like those too, but the greenbacks seem to be like truth speakers, so to speak. CONGRATS, on your choice, you will enjoy them. SMART MOVE.